Draft night 2017 might be the single biggest turning point in Utah Jazz history.

[Deleted member 5000]

You know in Hayward's mind getting to the championship the next few years is only doable from East. Can't blame the dude for wanting some excitement in life, but man would I rather live and have a family in the country than Boston ugh

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think anything we do on draft night changes Hayward's mind... I think it will be pretty meh.

 

[mellow]

I don't think anything we do on draft night changes Hayward's mind... I think it will be pretty meh.

No, it probably won't. But I am curious how the Jazz approach the draft. Do they use up their draft picks trying to free up salary (bye-bye Burks), or acquiring a single player? Or do they start the Rebuild III?

 

[LoPo]

Also, I do like Danny Green but often people have brought him up as if he were a big acquisition. Is there something I'm missing? He'd be a more reliable three point shooter than Hood would be but he'd score about 10 ppg, maybe a little more here. He probably brings more defense to the table but I don't see him being a big piece.

Danny Green spreads the floor, can play in an offense, and is an above average defender. He is an upgrade over Hood as a starter and/or allows us to give Hood the 6th man role. If Hayward were to leave, Hood starts at SF and Green at SG. I think Green is better than Ingles and brings us championship level experience. At $10 per year, he would be a fantastic addition.

 

[Park Bites]

If I was Hayward and I wanted to leave and go to boston I would be talking about a Sign and Trade option. That way you get the money and the place to play. Jazz could take back a couple of players that will lose playing time when Gordon and Fultz arrive. Namely Crowder and or Bradley. It would be a win win for both teams.

Boston then turns draft picks into Butler

 

[SCS]

Oh, you are right. I should have been more clear. I don't think his job is in jeopardy or that the Millers/Starks would fire him. I believe he was planting the idea that sometimes FAs leave despite what the GM does. What struck me was the departure from his usual positive, the future is bright speech.

It is good PR practice to soften the blow of bad news by helping the people reach the conclusion before you tell them. Lindsey's dialogue, Locke's suggestions, league chatter, Hayward's peace-out, Robyn's clover signs....are all these just coincidence, or subtle suggestions to soften the blow? I don't know, but my gut tells me he is gone.

Here eat a Snickers. Your gloominess is bumming me out. We need positive vibes. Let's all say it together.... "Hayward WILL stay"

 

[karl malone]

It's illogic (& particularly unfortunate for Utah this year) to hold the draft prior to FA. It will be interesting to see what DL's strategy/philosophy is on draft night as it will likely indicate their intention of retaining our core/confidence to do so. I agree that this off-season likely greatly influences the direction of the franchise. It's unfortunate that we aren't going to have the luxury of drafting with a firm grasp on the general construction of the roster.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

No, it probably won't. But I am curious how the Jazz approach the draft. Do they use up their draft picks trying to free up salary (bye-bye Burks), or acquiring a single player? Or do they start the Rebuild III?

If Hayward was signed we'd likely be open to making a big deal.

Here is what I think... he either thinks he needs a change to compete for a title or he'd like to be the all star that leads his team and they might not have the upside to get there but it isn't inconceivable. Nothing we do on draft night shifts that in the short term.

I don't think it's a fine deal but I think 95% of the data has been collected... nothing swings it unless it's huge and I don't see anything huge.

Draft the best talent that fits where we are headed regardless of hayward.

 

[David Stern]

I'm getting sick of all these "sources" claiming that Hayward is gone. The people who are on record (Ingles and Hill) actually know Hayward, are close friends with him, and said at the locker room clean out that they believed that his heart is in Utah. I understand that things can change, but those two friends making public comments weigh more to me than any of these "sources"

 

[Avery]

What assets do we really have to allocate to better things? I think JF vastly overrates what the NBA market would pay for some of our guys.

The reality is that our biggest trade chip is Rudy Gobert who would command a ransom. In doing so, we'd basically be starting over.

If you really want to play the long game, you'd liquidate everything you have to make a play on the NBA landscape in five years when the GSW/CLE annual rematch disappears.

 

[JAZZGASM]

If that's the case, I'm pretty bummed out with Gordon. Quin and his staff have spent an awful lot of time helping him as a player.

True, they have helped him out a lot, but I don't think the Jazz offense fits Hayward's playing style very well. Hayward can create on his own, especially with mismatches (which the Utah offense does create) but his strength is getting open off the ball, and Boston's sets will fit Hayward perfectly. Unfortunately, I think he leaves, and he will excel in Boston under Steven's offense. I actually really appreciate the sets that Stevens runs, which as a Jazz fan, I should, as they run a lot of classic Jazz offense.

 

[karl malone]

What assets do we really have to allocate to better things? I think JF vastly overrates what the NBA market would pay for some of our guys.

The reality is that our biggest trade chip is Rudy Gobert who would command a ransom. In doing so, we'd basically be starting over.

If you really want to play the long game, you'd liquidate everything you have to make a play on the NBA landscape in five years when the GSW/CLE annual rematch disappears.

I agree our assets are fairly underwhelming but we have enough quantity that we could hypothetically condense it into quality. Finding a trade partner would likely be an issue, but a combination of Hood/Exum/24/future 1st(s) + fillers such Favors/Johnson/Lyles/30/OKC 1st should collectively have a reasonable amount of trade value.

If Hayward were to leave then there could be an argument regarding cashing in Gobert (for an absurd offer) & completely rebuilding again, but I think you're overestimating the GSW/LBJ era. LBJ will likely remain affective late into his career, but I expect him to begin to decline(ish) in 2/3 years (& also believe he needs more help, which CLE may not be able to provide). GSW is another story as they have a young, elite core that could hypothetically remain intact with multiple pay cuts.

If Gobert wasn't (IMO) a potentially generational impact player (& locked up for the next 4 yrs), I would be inclined to hit the reset button. But I think it's far from a certainty that GSW stays together long-term. Plus, not only is it impossible to predict the landscape of the league in 5+ yrs, there are currently several teams who are multiple tanks ahead of us & likely in better position(s) to peak in 5 years.

As long as Gobert is on the roster, I believe the future remains bright.