Evolution discussion

[MVP]

I am glad that atheists finally believe in the "Muhammedian theory of evolution of man from lower forms" as it used to be called.

15:26 Verily we created man out of potter's clay of black mud altered.

15:28 And remember when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am creating
a mortal out of potter's clay of black mud altered.

16:4 He created man from a drop of fluid, yet, behold! he is an open
opponent

22:5 O mankind! If you are in any doubt concerning the Resurrection, then
lo! We have created you from dust, then from a drop of seed, then from a clot,
then from a little lump of flesh shapely and shapeless, that We may make it
clear for you.

23:12 Verily we created man from a product of wet earth (loam).
23:13 Then placed him (as a drop of seed) in a safe lodging;
23:14 Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little
lump, then fashioned We the little clot bones, then clothed the bones with
flesh, and then produced it as another creature. So blessed be Allah, the
Best of Creators!


Sorry but it is not a theory of evolution. Maybe Siro has good description what it is but to me it looks no different then Eve's creation from Adam's rib.

 

[PearlWatson]

15:26 Verily we created man out of potter's clay of black mud altered.

15:28 And remember when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am creating
a mortal out of potter's clay of black mud altered.

16:4 He created man from a drop of fluid, yet, behold! he is an open
opponent

22:5 O mankind! If you are in any doubt concerning the Resurrection, then
lo! We have created you from dust, then from a drop of seed, then from a clot,
then from a little lump of flesh shapely and shapeless, that We may make it
clear for you.

23:12 Verily we created man from a product of wet earth (loam).
23:13 Then placed him (as a drop of seed) in a safe lodging;
23:14 Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little
lump, then fashioned We the little clot bones, then clothed the bones with
flesh, and then produced it as another creature. So blessed be Allah, the
Best of Creators!


Sorry but it is not a theory of evolution. Maybe Siro has good description what it is but to me it looks no different then Eve's creation from Adam's rib.

Actually it sound like the idea that life began in a puddle of prehistoric goo that you Darwiniacs imagine.

 

[MVP]

We believe animals that exist can adapt to their environment, what we don't believe in is Darwin's crazy *** accidental common ancestry theory

Everybody has right to chose what to believe. To me it is undeniable that all currently living organisms on Earth share a common genetic heritage (universal common descent), with each being the descendant from a single original species. To you it is crazy *** theory. Thats fine. To me it is crazy *** delusion that man was created from clay or in single day.
There is species getting extinct and new species appearing on Earth every day. Creator to blame?

 

[MVP]

Actually it sound like the idea that life began in a puddle of prehistoric goo that you Darwiniacs imagine.

Where does it say about common ancestor for all life forms?

 

[PearlWatson]

Everybody has right to chose what to believe. To me it is undeniable that all currently living organisms on Earth share a common genetic heritage (universal common descent), with each being the descendant from a single original species. To you it is crazy *** theory. Thats fine. To me it is crazy *** delusion that man was created from clay or in single day.
There is species getting extinct and new species appearing on Earth every day. Creator to blame?

Nope. Climate change is to blame.

Those all sound crazy to me.

 

[Siro]

What is the point of responding over and over to the exact same soundbites? PW is heavily invested in creationism, and WELL past the point of rational discourse. So why bother?

 

[Siro]

Nope. Climate change is to blame.

Those all sound crazy to me.

You seem to be forgetting that you've been told to believe that climate change is a natural part of the planet's cycle. Not that it doesn't exist...

Edit: I must say though, your most annoying catch phrase got to be "consensus science". Which seems to disagree with a scientific model simply because of the fact that the evidence is so thorough and uncontroversial, that every human being who studies the evidence agrees with the conclusion. In short, you're mocking those who have knowledge for not sharing your ignorance based opinion. You can't see how ridiculous that FoxNews catch phrase is?

 

[Siro]

I never denied evolution. In fact I have been pumping this video ever since evolution got brought up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugu3cZN-3jU. I am glad that atheists finally believe in the "Muhammedian theory of evolution of man from lower forms" as it used to be called.

I could have sworn that we had a discussion where I told you evolution was taught in Muslim schools long before Darwin. But maybe it was someone else.

 

[PearlWatson]

Saying humans are "ape-like" is like saying house cats are "feline-like" and dogs are "canine-like". House cats are felines, dogs are canines, humans are apes. There is no evolutionary "ape-like ancestor", there is a common ancestry between humans and other apes, closer than the ancestry between any human and any non-ape, an ape ancestry.

Uhhh.

Yeah, like I said, "ape-like" ancestor is a meaningless concept when you refuse to even acknowledge your made-up continuum from ape-like ancestor to human.

If you say humans can't be any more ape-like than we currently are then we can just throw out your stupid "ape-like ancestor" concept all together, because if there is no change there is no theory of change. I'm good with that.

 

[Siro]

Uhhh.

Yeah, like I said, "ape-like" ancestor is a meaningless concept when you refuse to even acknowledge your made-up continuum from ape-like ancestor to human.

If you say humans can't be any more ape-like than we currently are then we can just throw out your stupid "ape-like ancestor" concept all together, because if there is no change there is no theory of change. I'm good with that.

What does that mean? Chimps and humans are both "apes". This is a category that scientists define in a certain way to facilitate exchange of information (among many other reasons). At some point in the past, there were no 2 separate ape species named Chimps and humans. There was only one species of apes whose off-spring eventually evolved down different paths leading to humans and chimps. What exactly do you disagree with?

 

[MVP]

"I knew, of course, that some modern whales have a pair of bones embedded in their tissues, each of which strengthens the pelvic wall and acts as an organ anchor. ... Whales could be born with a little extra lump of bone which evolutionists therefore insisted was a throwback corresponding to a second limb bone.

However, the spectacle of a whale being hauled out of the ocean with an actual leg hanging down from its side was a totally different issue. I don't remember my exact response, but I indicated that, if true, this would be a serious challenge to explain on the basis of a creation model." (Wieland 1998)


So this creationist made fool of himself as he did not know that whale with atavistic hind legs was cought in 1919 in Canada. Another dolphin with rear flippers was cought in 2006 in Japan. Perfect examples of common ancestry.

How about humans with tails?

https://www.anatomyatlases.org/AnatomicVariants/SkeletalSystem/Images/19.shtml

 

[PearlWatson]

What does that mean? Chimps and humans are both "apes". This is a category that scientists define in a certain way to facilitate exchange of information (among many other reasons). At some point in the past, there were no 2 separate ape species named Chimps and humans. There was only one species of apes whose off-spring eventually evolved down different paths leading to humans and chimps. What exactly do you disagree with?

Why are you jumping into the middle of a conversation between me and One Brow after saying it was fruitless endeavor mere seconds ago.

Go put your head back up your ape-like ***.