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One Brow said:
In 47 years, no clergy person and no church has ever been force to perform an interracial marriage. It will be no different for gay marriage.
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You have far more blind faith in our government than I do.
 
One Brow said:
In 47 years, no clergy person and no church has ever been force to perform an interracial marriage. It will be no different for gay marriage.
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You have far more blind faith in our government than I do.
 
Nate505 said:
That idea makes me sick personally.

If you are a business open to the public, you better serve the public. Otherwise, don't open your business to the public.

Say there is a small town in the middle of nowhere that has a whopping one grocery store ( Burlington Colorado comes to mind). Let's also say the nearest grocery store after that one is 30 miles away. If the owner of that store hates gays and refuses to serve maybe the 1 or 2 gay guys in town, does that mean they now have to move our drive 30 miles for groceries? I doubt public pressure is going to shut the place down, and there probably isn't a good financial incentive to open another store.

So again, when you open a business to the public, serve the public.
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so you should force people to do stuff?

THAT IS WRONG


FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he aint hurting anyone by denying gays.


THAT IS FREEDOM!
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
So, let me get this straight. We shouldn't try to provide equal protection under the law to all, because some people might take it too far?

Ok, so let's force them gay people back into the closets where they belong, and once again deny them their equal protection under the law and full slate of civil rights, because some people might overreact. Yep, makes perfect sense to me.

IF and WHEN this becomes a real problem, and not just some isolated anecdotes, then we can deal with it as a serious problem. Discrimination against gays, however, much of it imposed by religious folk, has been a systematic and pervasive problem for millennia.

Fundamental Christianity will survive this just fine and will move on to find new 'out groups' to oppress.

By the way, I would stand with you to defend to the rights of religions and religious folks to practice their religion (provided it does not cross over into abuse, law breaking, etc.).
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but gay guy has same right as straight guy.
a gay guy may may marry anywoman to procreate.
just like the strtaight guy

this hwole equal rights is HOGWASH
 
I got a question about this business and sexual discrimination.
a pornography studio is a business right.
but what if he only makes straight porn.
what if all pornographers decide to make only straight porn

would government force them to make gay porn?



so what gives?


how come a bakery is forced to make wedding cakes with 2 dudes on top.
while a pornography studio is not?
is wedding cake a right pornography not?
 
DutchJazzer said:
how come a bakery is forced to make wedding cakes with 2 dudes on top.
while a pornography studio is not?
is wedding cake a right pornography not?
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IANAL, but these are my understandings:

If a pornography studio offered to film any couple off the street, they would be required to film gay couples.

If a bakery only sold wedding cakes off the shelf, as opposed to making them to order, they could stock their shelves as they pleased.
 
One Brow said:
I don't qualify 47 years of empirical evidence as "blind faith" for some reason.
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Empirical evidence of one particular situation. For any other situation it would still be an assumption. Not all Germans grow up to be Nazis, and after more than 47 years Russia is no longer communist.





Godwined that sucker! Woot!
 
LogGrad98 said:
Empirical evidence of one particular situation. For any other situation it would still be an assumption. Not all Germans grow up to be Nazis, and after more than 47 years Russia is no longer communist.





Godwined that sucker! Woot!
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Someone once told me that if you aren't from the US of A then you are a Communist Nazi.

'merica.
 
DutchJazzer said:
I got a question about this business and sexual discrimination.
a pornography studio is a business right.
but what if he only makes straight porn.
what if all pornographers decide to make only straight porn

would government force them to make gay porn?



so what gives?


how come a bakery is forced to make wedding cakes with 2 dudes on top.
while a pornography studio is not?
is wedding cake a right pornography not?
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I'm quite sure that a bakery is not legally required to use any particular accessories or decorations. If a bakery only offers man-woman cake toppers they wouldn't be breaking the law. It would only be against the law to refuse to provide their existing services to someone based on that persons inclusion in a protected class.

Similarly, if there was a gay oriented cake shop and they refused to service "breeders" they would be breaking the same anti-discrimination law. As sexual orientation is a protected class.
 
One Brow said:
People are allowed by law to marry members of their own gender.
Yes, we are aware of your fears, which are completely unfounded and untrue.
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Not in Idaho until earlier this month when the stay was lifted.

There are quite a few cases of fines and lawsuits against Christians because of not wishing to go against their conscience on this issue.
These pastors only avoided it because they changed their business to fit within this law, but they never should have had to in the first place.
 
Gameface said:
I'm quite sure that a bakery is not legally required to use any particular accessories or decorations. If a bakery only offers man-woman cake toppers they wouldn't be breaking the law. It would only be against the law to refuse to provide their existing services to someone based on that persons inclusion in a protected class.

Similarly, if there was a gay oriented cake shop and they refused to service "breeders" they would be breaking the same anti-discrimination law. As sexual orientation is a protected class.
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You are kinda retarded if you think these bakers had homosexual cake toppers.
 
One Brow said:
IANAL, but these are my understandings:

If a pornography studio offered to film any couple off the street, they would be required to film gay couples.

If a bakery only sold wedding cakes off the shelf, as opposed to making them to order, they could stock their shelves as they pleased.
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so if you go on a site not gonna name it here where the have clips for sale
these custom clips from certain porn stars(don't know if there is one with men).
yet they don't have gay (or in case of queer porn stars straight clips made to order) i could sue them?
since these are not off the shelf clips, but cusotm made.

BRB gonna sew some of em NOW!
 
DutchJazzer said:
so if you go on a site not gonna name it here where the have clips for sale
these custom clips from certain porn stars(don't know if there is one with men).
yet they don't have gay (or in case of queer porn stars straight clips made to order) i could sue them?
since these are not off the shelf clips, but cusotm made.

BRB gonna sew some of em NOW!
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Do you mean, where actors take requests from the audience and enact those requests? I would be surprised if actors would be required to engage in any kind of physical activity they found distasteful, and I would be surprised as a porn site that would refuse to allow an actor to engage in an activity the actor was agreeable to.

By comparison, a couple having a wedding is asking a baker to bake a cake. The process of baking the cake does not change much between the couple being gay and straight, AFAICT.
 
DutchJazzer said:
so if you go on a site not gonna name it here where the have clips for sale
these custom clips from certain porn stars(don't know if there is one with men).
yet they don't have gay (or in case of queer porn stars straight clips made to order) i could sue them?
since these are not off the shelf clips, but cusotm made.

BRB gonna sew some of em NOW!
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I get that english is not your first language, but why do you often spell the same word multiple ways in the same post? Just curious.
 
One Brow said:
Do you mean, where actors take requests from the audience and enact those requests? I would be surprised if actors would be required to engage in any kind of physical activity they found distasteful, and I would be surprised as a porn site that would refuse to allow an actor to engage in an activity the actor was agreeable to.

By comparison, a couple having a wedding is asking a baker to bake a cake. The process of baking the cake does not change much between the couple being gay and straight, AFAICT.
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I wonder this: why would a gay couple seek out and then sue a company that has made it pretty clear they wouldn't like to cater to gay couples? It seems this is what is happening. Is it a purposeful attack, so to speak? Take this wedding chapel for instance. They have not been hiding anything about their preferences, so why would the gay couple specifically seek out this chapel, in not just to make a spectacle and example out of them? Could there be ulterior motives at play?

(taking the obvious religious connotations out of the argument, say if a similar law were passed about religious institutions for ****s and giggles) If I wanted to be married by a mormon bishop because of religious affiliation, but I didn't want to be married on a freaking basketball court, and if I knew that the beautiful protestant church in the middle of town would not allow a mormon wedding there, I would not make a huge stink about it, I would just seek out a venue that was ok with this being a mormon wedding.
 
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