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Handlogten's Heros said:
Locke is talking about stretch 4s and Gobert and the Off Def rating stuff today on his podcast.

As I listen I think having a Trevor Ariza stretch 4 is more important than a Kevin Love stretch 4. Jonas/Jae/Thabo may be able to patch together and give us enough there. Wait until FA next year to get the LT solution... unless something falls in our lap.
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The only thing that really makes me pause with a guy like Ariza is that he is really bad at putting the ball on the floor. I dont know if he fits Utah from an offensive stand point other than spot up shooting, which he can be pretty erratic at.

And I'm not certain a defensive 4 is really that necessary. If we play teams like Houston they are doing 1 thing, putting Gobert in a high PNR situation. The only thing that really matters there is the on-ball defense from our wings fighting over screens and Gobert containing. Yeah, sometimes in transition you might get the odd mismatch, but they are still going to try to pull Gobert out of the paint more than anything else, and if they don't isn't that a win for Utah?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I like Jonas, but he takes a half hour to load his shot and so dudes can play off and recover pretty easily. Looking at pure percentages is a mistake when evaluating what guys bring.

Love had a 120 off rating this year and a 109 def rating... better than LBJ by a hair. He has value... at the highest levels he can have some flaws that may or may not get exposed... most players do.
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And the main thing, Love shot 42% from above the break this year on high volume. That's floor spacing, not the corner 3's Jonas gets why everyone sucks into Gobert.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The only thing that really makes me pause with a guy like Ariza is that he is really bad at putting the ball on the floor. I dont know if he fits Utah from an offensive stand point other than spot up shooting, which he can be pretty erratic at.

And I'm not certain a defensive 4 is really that necessary. If we play teams like Houston they are doing 1 thing, putting Gobert in a high PNR situation. The only thing that really matters there is the on-ball defense from our wings fighting over screens and Gobert containing. Yeah, sometimes in transition you might get the odd mismatch, but they are still going to try to pull Gobert out of the paint more than anything else, and if they don't isn't that a win for Utah?
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I was thinking more just a guy who is great defensively and can shoot spot up 3s. Ideally that guy could punish closeouts. Specifically, I wouldn't want Ariza (too old and is likely getting more than I'd pay him).

You and I were originally 2 of the highest on Royce. I think he could play some 4 and has some ability to put it on the floor and create... curious if we see that more. He turns it over a lot, but I'm hoping that gets better with more comfort/familiarity.

I'm not worried about Houston... I don't think they are around much longer. If GS breaks their offense to isolate and pull Gobert out that is a win imo.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
And the main thing, Love shot 42% from above the break this year on high volume. That's floor spacing, not the corner 3's Jonas gets why everyone sucks into Gobert.
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For sure... that and Love is likely one of the top bullet points on the scouting report... Just guys staying attached to him will open up a lot for our other guys. Ricky also worked well with him.

Love was 26/12/4.5 then went to Cleveland and was like 16/10/2... I think we'd get something in between.
 
I would rather play Crowder and Ingles at 4 than pay Love. I have been watching the guy for years. In this 4 year playoff run, how many times has he dominated? Played like a star? Played like a $25 million player?

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LoPo said:
I would rather play Crowder and Ingles at 4 than pay Love. I have been watching the guy for years. In this 4 year playoff run, how many times has he dominated? Played like a star? Played like a $25 million player?

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Ingles doesn't do well when guarding bigger stronger guys. Crowder and Jonas at the 4 with appearances of Royce and Thabo is a decent fallback plan.

The more I listened to Locke the more I thought of guys like Marvin Williams and how good they might look here. Contract is ugly, but we have some options.
 
Oh, another FA possibility is Bosh. I know Cy will love that suggestion.
 
infection said:
Oh, another FA possibility is Bosh. I know Cy will love that suggestion.
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I don't know if altitude mixes well with his condition.
 
Charlotte is a team to watch. If they try and keep Kemba (he is extension eligible so they can get certainty) they don't have a lot of options to duck the tax this year. They are notoriously cheap. They could trade Lamb for a cheaper one year contract or no salary, but I do wonder if they'd give up some draft capital to move Marvin Williams. If Miles Bridges was available at 11 I'd be all for 21+AB for 11 and Marvin... but I'm not sure where their head is as a franchise. They should trade Kemba and go full rebuild... but they seem generally opposed to that route so far.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I don't know if altitude mixes well with his condition.
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Nah. The air gets thinner with altitude, meaning the amount of dissolved gases in his blood would also be thinner, thus making his blood thinner. Plus, they always say that winning is the best medicine, so between those two he can throw that Eliquis away.
 
LoPo said:
Locke talk about Hezonja?

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Nah it was more about Favs than options... The numbers basically point (to me at least) that we are better on offense with Rudy and our stretch 4s, we aren't worse on defense, and with a guy like Crowder (who is a good defender) we are even better on defense than we are with Favs. There is a lot to it. If we got last year's Thabo I'd just run it back, but I'm not sure how much Thabo has left.
 
Really want to feast? Go after the King himself. Trade Burks & a 2nd for another 2nd or TPE, renounce the Ungs (minus Royce), Exum and Favors and that's enough space to make a play. Rubio, DM, Ingles, LBJ, and Rudy, with Crowder, Royce, #21, and an MLE swing? Yum.

Ah well, one can dream.
 
LoPo said:
Hey Cy fanboy. Good to see you come so quick to his defense.

There isn't a problem. Lil man Cy does his best to shoot down other people. When he proposed this ridiculous thought process, most chose to look the other way. Even me. I chose to take the high road. But let's analyze the trade for fun:

- yes, it could potentially work financially to sign and trade UFA Favors for a sign and trade of RFA Jabari. It happens about as much as Cy getting laid (practically never), but it could happen I guess
- do we even want Jabari? Does he even fit? Is he a distraction?
- do we want to pay Jabari $18 million a year?
- does Milwaukee even want Favors?
- does Milwaukee want to pay Favors similar money to Jabari? What would that contract look like?
- is Milwaukee committed to going into the luxury for Derrick Favors?

All of those are valid questions with very legitimate issues attached to them making the trade highly unrealistic. But hey, I'm the idiot for posting trade ideas.
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You could have argued about my Jabari idea in the thread I made about my off-season plan instead of just storing that frustration up. Plenty of people did and I discussed it with them. Unlike you I dont cry about someone targeting or trolling me when people do so.
 
Thank you HH.

I agree with Locke, and you especially for the playoffs against contenders. Our offense runs smoother and defense easier with a stretch 4 like Crowder than with Favors. The playoffs are becoming more and more positionless. We need the flexibility on both ends.

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