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Following potential 2013 draftees

dalamon said:
SG?? Burks and Hayward should improve. Toss in a specialty shooter, and that leaves me satisfied.

if I had to rank our most pressing needs with players currently signed to 2013-2014, I would address it as follows:


1) Point guard
2) Small Forward
3) 3rd big.


- Our point guard situation is a disaster. We had numerous late-clock turnovers, and several games (Milwaukee, Atlanta) come to mind where poor ball-handling and offensive possessions led to other teams defeating us. We don't need one of the best point guards of the league-- we simply need a leader of an offense who can beat a full-court press, make the right pass, and punish teams who leave him to double Kanter or Favors. This is why I have been so fond of Burke for like 2-3 years now-- sure his athleticism isn't precedental, and his finishing ability could use some fine tuning, but he's a superb floor general, he will be reliable in late-game situations, and he can make his teammates better. Unfortunately, his stock skyrocketed over the past few months-- but perhaps McCollum or Schröder can fit the aforementioned descriptions, and be at least a George Hill-level point guard. 'Tis all I ask.

- Small Forward. This question becomes easier to answer once we know what type of player Alec Burks is. If Burks can morph into a Harden-LITE from his OKC years when he was the main ball-handler off the bench (emphasis on lite), then we can work with Hayward at the 2, meaning we'd need a defensive 3 point specialist, which would be enough. In my opinion, we do not need an elite SF to carry our offense. In fact, I would be fine with Demarre Carroll starting games at SF if our offense is always running from our guards to our bigs. Spurs won championships with Bruce Bowen-- and the Bulls won championships with Ron Harper. I'd be fine with Carrol getting ~25 mpg, as well as the start. Most importantly, I feel like this need could be addressed in the 2014-2015 offseason, when we could be ready for an okay playoff run.


- 3rd big: Tomic or Millsap. Millsap only if he would accept coming off the bench-- he's an ideal third big, and he'd punish almost every single bench in the league. Also, he's got okay defensive IQ as far as rotations are concerned, so he wouldn't slack with a lineup as good defensively as, say, Schröder/Hayward/Carroll/Favors, for example. Tomic would also be spectacular, and would command double teams pretty effectively IMO. We are seeing how much of a pain in the *** defending a 7'2" guy can be (see Pacers v. Miami), and Tomic has taken massive strides. Finding a third big is super important for this team-- I just pray that our FO doesn't think the answer is Jefferson. Even someone like Elton Brand wouldn't be brutal
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Lol.. that's an awful lot to type as a result of misunderstanding the question.
 
Jako said:
dal I agree with a lot that you said but change sf to wing.

I want nothing to do with millsap. didnt like his pouting.

I would love to see bazz on the jazz.

and nab the shooting guard Harrison, Aaron I think.

wolters is my pick. the Hayward of pgs.

if we could get zeller we would have Hayward, the Hayward of pgs and the Hayward of pfs
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Why just cause they are white? I wouldn't compare wolters to hayward at all...
 
I think Wolters is underrated simply because no one has seen him play next to good players on his own team. If you look at the size, skills, and body control, he's a legit prospect, but probably should go after 21.

Edit: Wolters has IQ and some intangibles like Hayward. They're not a direct comparison.
 
Wolters is interesting for sure. I are him as being the least risky of all the point guards. He could be a fairly good.
 
PKM said:
Let me use an analogy. I have never microbrewed beers, but some here have (Gameface)..
Who am I to say something like, "How could anyone possibly know how a beer may taste just by using different ingredients and varying grades of said ingredients?"

I'm asking because I have no experience at brewing. I can't understand it because I have no empirical data, no real understanding. So, I may think it's more simply related to trial and error and luck. But Gameface may say he has enough experience in analyzing the pieces that he can better determine that whole than I can.. even if I don't understand how that may be true.

How'd I do, kkk? Not exactly Dancing with the Stars.. but not too shabby??
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Good try.. and it's not bad.. really...I have to give you props. Although I have a feeling it's not really your thing (you need to move your analogy/metaphor down a notch for us common people.
 
slc said:
Just for arguments sake.
What is least important position on a team?
Maybe point guard?
Consider top five PGs right now
Rose, Paul, D Williams, etc.
How many have won a title?
Jazz do need a good PG but should it be top priority at the #14 if a far better player is available?
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We're not looking at a top 5 PG at the #14 pick. We're looking at a serviceable PG with potential to be great 1 day.

The analogy I'd like to use is the Golf GTI. It's a rather small, compact, non-threatening looking car. But once they put a turbo charged engine in it, it has never looked back. It's small, it's fast, it's quick, it's nimble. You can use it as an everyday car, for supermarket shopping - even carrying furniture because it's a hatch back. But you can also use it on a race track or even a rally track - it's also has that "Potential".
 
PKM said:
Lol.. that's an awful lot to type as a result of misunderstanding the question.
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If I understood the original question correctly, the answer for the Jazz is the wing. SG or SF, always has been. Ty Corbin hasn't changed that.

But Dalamon's post got to me thinking....

if the Jazz go pg at 14, doesn't that impact Burks the most? I expect Foye and Hayward to eat up all the minutes at sg, and Hayward and DeMarre/Evans all the time at sf. Last year when everyone was injured Burks was playing pg, but he is a back-up pg, not a starter. And if the Jazz draft a pg at 14, they will most certainly sign a veteran pg to teach him the ropes. Those two will eat up the bulk of the minutes, leaving a few for Burks. That makes Burks the 3rd string pg and 3rd string sg? What a waste of a pick. Jazz really made a mess of a #12 pick in the draft or developing him or both. Hopefully it shakes out different but I suspect Burks is the prize the Jazz are dangling to move up.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Forget what position we need most. We should use this draft to replenish our bench then fill our position of need in next years deep and talented draft
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orangello said:
What Thee said. Just draft BPA.
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PKM said:
Lol.. that's an awful lot to type as a result of misunderstanding the question.
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Boy you guys are harsh... Dal has made some great points there and you just threw them in the bin.

Usually, yes I'd say just draft BPA. But in this draft - there isn't a consensus BPA. Just go look at the mocks! It's all over the place!!!

To me there is a band of players from approx. #9 - #24 that have very similar talent level - it's just what you would prefer to eat (as Locke used to say). Do you prefer pasta? How about a burger? How about a rice dish? What if you are a pasta person - but the noodles in the shop next door is very very good. Can you live with eating Noodles for the rest of your life? No right? You'd rather eat pasta. Then back to the draft - can we truly compare Steven Adams and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope? How about KCP and Reggie Bullock? Who would you rather have?

To me there are good things and there at least 1 major flaw in just about every prospect within the #9 - #24 range that the "Draft BPA" strategy needed to be taken with a grain of salt here, and "Draft Positional Need" strategy should be considered where appropriate.
 
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