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I don't think it's that likely that the jazz will trade up, if there is a trade it will be trading down and picking up a few pieces. The Jazz are in a prime area where we don't have a need and we can just pick the best prospect on the board.
 
U actually think the Jazz would trade Favors for either of those players. Wow!!

That's not even close to the same situation. Favors wasn't even near as established as he is now. Also we are talking about Wiggins.

Lol. No. Your wild assertions are becoming out of control

Ummm. Ok. U do realize we were winning at a 50+ wins total after the Kanter trade and Exum being upgraded to our full time starter.

We are a team that is coming off a long rebuild process. U really expect us to contend in year one of making the playoffs?

Lol. U are on fire tonight. Porz is and probably will never be on Favors level offensively. And Favors will be even more improved this coming year. He will probably be a knockdown shooter from 20 and he wants to add a three point shot from what I hear.

Will be interesting to see what happens.
 
I don't think it's that likely that the jazz will trade up, if there is a trade it will be trading down and picking up a few pieces. The Jazz are in a prime area where we don't have a need and we can just pick the best prospect on the board.
I would say our need is simply shooting.
 
Even considering trading Favors for any prospect in this draft other than Towns is absurd. The only reason you even consider that trade (so long as it's straight up or only requires including an additional minor asset or 2) is because Towns has similar or better 2-way potential, is younger, & is cheaper/cost-controlled longer (although I would only do so if we were also able to make a similar deal involving Hayward). Neither of those things are likely to happen, but I believe that it touches on an important subject.

Right now we have a core that consists of Exum, Hood, Burks, Hayward, Favors, & Gobert. Out of that group Hood, Burks, Favors, & Gobert are all under contract for at least 3 years & ready to contribute now. Hayward is obviously ready to contribute but able to leave in 2 years, while Exum is cost controlled for several years but still likely a year or 2 away from being ready to contribute.

Imo, this means that there are 3 directions in which we can go:

1. We can stay on our current path, hope Exum develops quick enough to retain Hayward, & use the upcoming salary increase in order to keep our core together & build around it.

2. We can trade Exum for a starting caliber player who is ready to contribute (or add a starting caliber PG by other means, while benching Exum), add veterans to help us win in the short-term, & attempt to speed up the process of becoming legitimate contenders in order to retain Hayward.

3. We can trade Hayward for prospects/future draft picks, focus on the long-term, & continue to develop & add to our core of young, cost controlled players.

The 1st seems to be the safest & most likely option of the 3, but I think that it's something that warrants a discussion/consideration. I'm not suggesting that we completely overhaul the roster, I just believe that we are at somewhat of a crossroad in which we need to either prioritize the long-term, short-term, or attempt to balance the 2 (which isn't always the best option as doing so can lead to an unbalanced roster). Personally, I would probably hold on to both for now, attempt to upgrade Burks with an elite offensive prospect, & try to put the team in a position to win next year by filling our holes (backup PG & C) with young veterans. If we don't appear playoff bound by the trade-deadline next year, I would seriously consider moving Hayward (if the right deal were to present itself) so as to not risk limiting his value when he is essentially a FA-to-be in a year or losing him for nothing.
 
Even considering trading Favors for any prospect in this draft other than Towns is absurd. The only reason you even consider that trade (so long as it's straight up or only requires including an additional minor asset or 2) is because Towns has similar or better 2-way potential, is younger, & is cheaper/cost-controlled longer (although I would only do so if we were also able to make a similar deal involving Hayward). Neither of those things are likely to happen, but I believe that it touches on an important subject.

Right now we have a core that consists of Exum, Hood, Burks, Hayward, Favors, & Gobert. Out of that group Hood, Burks, Favors, & Gobert are all under contract for at least 3 years & ready to contribute now. Hayward is obviously ready to contribute but able to leave in 2 years, while Exum is cost controlled for several years but still likely a year or 2 away from being ready to contribute.

Imo, this means that there are 3 directions in which we can go:

1. We can stay on our current path, hope Exum develops quick enough to retain Hayward, & use the upcoming salary increase in order to keep our core together & build around it.

2. We can trade Exum for a starting caliber player who is ready to contribute (or add a starting caliber PG by other means, while benching Exum), add veterans to help us win in the short-term, & attempt to speed up the process of becoming legitimate contenders in order to retain Hayward.

3. We can trade Hayward for prospects/future draft picks, focus on the long-term, & continue to develop & add to our core of young, cost controlled players.

The 1st seems to be the safest & most likely option of the 3, but I think that it's something that warrants a discussion/consideration. I'm not suggesting that we completely overhaul the roster, I just believe that we are at somewhat of a crossroad in which we need to either prioritize the long-term, short-term, or attempt to balance the 2 (which isn't always the best option as doing so can lead to an unbalanced roster). Personally, I would probably hold on to both for now, attempt to upgrade Burks with an elite offensive prospect, & try to put the team in a position to win next year by filling our holes (backup PG & C) with young veterans. If we don't appear playoff bound by the trade-deadline next year, I would seriously consider moving Hayward (if the right deal were to present itself) so as to not risk limiting his value when he is essentially a FA-to-be in a year or losing him for nothing.
I think it's kind of insane to try to break up what we've stumbled upon in the last season, but just for the fun of it...

... if you trade any of our core pieces, you have to trade Hayward too. I think he will just leave when his contract expires if you take away his ability to compete during his current contract and make him go through another rebuild.

Trade Favors + 12 + lottery protected pick next year for Towns.
Trade Hayward for 4, pick Russell

Exum-Burke
Russell-Burks
Hood-Jingles
Towns-Booker
Gobert-??

Add another potentially high lottery pick next year.
(If we ignore that the Wolves probably won't do it) I don't hate it long-term, but it means we start close to 0 again... Perpetual rebuilds suck.
 
Agreed. While I love the potential of that lineup & would have to at least consider it if it were an option (which I doubt it would be), doing so would likely put us 2-3 years away from where we currently are (which is something that I don't think most of Jazz fans or Jazzfanz would be able to handle). Still, that lineup has multiple championship potential & could turn out to be worth the wait.
 
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Hows about trying to swap 12 for 13 whilst finagling Bogdan Bogdanovic from Pheonix for lesser assets??? (Who wont come to the NBA for another 2 seasons til his rookie scale is up)

Dude shot 39% from 3 this year including;

Phoenix would never do this for such a valuable asset.
 
Chad Ford has released his tier-ranking:
https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/dra...nba-draft-how-pros-do-ranking-prospects-tiers

Here are the tiers:

Tier 1:
Karl-Anthony Towns, F/C, Kentucky

Tier 2:
Emmanuel Mudiay, PG, Congo
Jahlil Okafor, C, Duke
Kristaps Porzingis, F/C, Latvia
D'Angelo Russell, G, Ohio State

Tier 3:
Willie Cauley-Stein, F/C, Kentucky
Mario Hezonja, G/F, Croatia
Justise Winslow, G/F, Duke

Tier 4:
Devin Booker, SG, Kentucky
Sam Dekker, F, Wisconsin
Jerian Grant, G, Notre Dame
Stanley Johnson, G/F, Arizona
Frank Kaminsky, F/C, Wisconsin
Kevon Looney, F, UCLA
Trey Lyles, PF, Kentucky
Kelly Oubre, G/F, Kansas
Cameron Payne, PG, Murray State
Bobby Portis, PF, Arkanas
Myles Turner, F/C, Texas

Tier 5:
Justin Anderson, SG, Virginia
Montrezl Harrell, PF, Louisville
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, G/F, Arizona
R.J. Hunter, SG, Georgia State
Tyus Jones, PG, Duke
Terry Rozier, G, Louisville
Rashad Vaughn, SG, UNLV
Delon Wright, PG, Utah

Tier 6:
Cliff Alexander, PF, Kansas
Anthony Brown, SG, Stanford
Rakeem Christmas, F/C, Syracuse
Olivier Hanlan, G, Boston College
Guillermo Hernangomez, C, Spain
Dakari Johnson, C, Kentucky
Jarell Martin, PF, LSU
Chris McCullough, F, Syracuse
Cedi Osman, F, Turkey
Robert Upshaw, C, Washington
Christian Wood, PF, UNLV
Joseph Young, G, Oregon

Since we are looking mainly at players from tier 4, here's what he wrote about that tier:
Tier 4 typically is late-lottery to mid-first-round selections in a normal draft -- selections 10 through 20. This year, that tier is roughly 9-19 on our Big Board. Lots of talented players in this tier project to be starters or high-level rotation players.

Here, even the consensus in tiers starts to break down.

Guys really are all over the place. Booker, Kaminsky, Lyles and Turner each scored a few votes for Tier 3. Payne also picked up a Tier 3 vote. Still, the majority of teams had them ranked in Tier 4. Oubre, Grant and Looney had some Tier 5 votes, but most of their votes were in Tier 4.
 
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Cedi-Osman-7133/

Hey guys, here is someone for your second round pick, there is a new scouting report of him added 2 days ago. Energetic style of play, needs to improve his shooting but high BB-IQ, good defender and always hustling. Pick him an let him develop 2 more years in Turkey. He impressed everyone in Europe by being one of the youngest players in Euroleague getting so many minutes against the best competition in Europe. DX rank him right now at 44, the Jazz should get him with the 42nd pick if he is available right there (I doubt it).
 
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Cedi-Osman-7133/

Hey guys, here is someone for your second round pick, there is a new scouting report of him added 2 days ago. Energetic style of play, needs to improve his shooting but high BB-IQ, good defender and always hustling. Pick him an let him develop 2 more years in Turkey. He impressed everyone in Europe by being one of the youngest players in Euroleague getting so many minutes against the best competition in Europe. DX rank him right now at 44, the Jazz should get him with the 42nd pick if he is available right there (I doubt it).

If it mean that the guy diamond77 or the other kanter fans come back here I will say no thanks to this guy.
 
Wow, I was not too familiar with McCullough until now. His highlights look really good. I like his length and athletic fluid game.

I have so many players I like in this draft. I hope we are able to get a 2nd first round pick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lWJMWSorZk this is a good example of McCullough's abililty to recover, he covers a ton of ground in just one step.

Also in his rehab video he's wearing a 'Humble & Hungry" shirt.. From reading this thread enough, I had to chuckle at that.
 
Hezonja vs Real Madrid 18 pts breakdown
https://www.draftexpress.com/articl...ayoff-Finals-Performance-Video-Analysis-5116/

I was listening to one of Locke's podcasts from this week and he mentioned that the 11-15 draft position has the least amount of all stars and rotation players, which was news to me. The reason makes sense, since the people from 11-15 are in the tier below the more "sure things," so teams try to go for home run high upside picks and miss. Therefore, people who are drafted 15 and below have more of a chance to be starters and rotation players.

Here are the people in that group that I think have good, long careers: Portis, Grant, Looney (projected 20 by DX), RHJ, McCullough, Wright.

Also, generally 2 people in the top 10 bust. This may make me look stupid later, but I think Winslow is going to bust. He played best at Duke as a small-ball 4, and I don't think he is big enough for that in the NBA, and depending on what team he goes to he probably won't play the 4 much. I also think his high 3pt% is probably flukey, and if it is, that is big time trouble for him. His mechanics look off and his free throw shooting is poor, and I don't think he can shoot off the dribble. I think he bullies his way inside and he won't be able to do that at the next level. Disclaimer: I'm a bit biased against Duke players

I don't necessarily think D'Angelo Russell will bust, but I don't think he will be an elite 3 point shooter in the NBA, and I worry about his defense and athleticism. I guess I'm not nearly as high on him as others are. I definitely wouldn't trade Favors for him.

This would be an interesting exercise. Name the two players in the top 10 who are most likely to bust.

I got Stanley Johnson and WCS.
 
2 to bust ehh? Basing it somewhat on where I expect them to go (as in a bust at #10 has to be worse than a #1 pick to be a bust). I'd go Porz and Winslow. Porz has bigtime potential but at the same time I could pretty easily see him never putting on much muscle and being Ryan Anderson. Winslows shot just looks all wrong to me, and I think he'll have his moments, but hustle only does so much (I think Faried on this).
 
Fair enough, But I do think its a bad trade for the Jazz and I do think the FO would want nothing to do with that trade either. I could see us moving up in the draft but not with one of our starters. Come draft day if someone in one of the players Jazz have in Tier 1 or Tier 2 falls a few picks then maybe we cash in lots of draft picks, stashed players (not worth much right now) and maybe Burks or one of the scrubs on the end of the bench gets traded to move up.

Seems much more likely we trade our pick for a player than a player for a pick. FO has said they dont really want more rookies and had too many last year.
I agree that the jazz won't make that trade..... I wouldn't do that trade either btw.
 
... if you trade any of our core pieces, you have to trade Hayward too. I think he will just leave when his contract expires if you take away his ability to compete during his current contract and make him go through another rebuild.

I don't understand this thought process.
Imo trading favors does not equal rebuild. I think Hayward, Gobert, Burks, and hood are still a good core. If favors was traded they would have lots of money to spend right? Why wouldn't the jazz be aggressive in free agency and go after millsap, Aldridge, or a good pg like lawson or someone and try to make the playoffs?

I'm not so certain trading favors = doomsday and destruction for the jazz franchise as we know it like some of you think.
 
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