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Basketball Novice said:
I was originally low but I think I am coming around a bit on him. The stretch big stuff doesn't matter, in my eyes, his screen setting and rim finishing on offense added to his great defensive play makes him intriguing. He is a great offensive rebounder but only a good defensive rebounder. The Houston game was probably his worst game played last year.

His offensive rating is a crazy 143, defensive rating is 95, net-rating being +48, so he is doing something right when he is on the court. 74% TS on lowish volume, ~20 minutes a game. Just a lob threat and offensive rebounding monster. I saw so many oops to this guy whether it was Kon, or Flagg, or Sion or whoever else on Duke driving to the rim. It's a legitimate weapon. This is only scratching the surface of his potential. FTs at 75% so teams won't be able to hack him in the playoffs plus its a promising indicator for his shooting in general. I also saw some small flashes of something more. Moments where he made a great move or had a crafty finish, nothing crazy but it makes me think that this guy has more to him if given some time and coaching.

The way this guy moves on defense, doing switching and rotations, was great for a guy his size. Feels like he will be able to do a variety of defensive schemes (he isn't just a drop coverage big). And I don't need to talk about the ridiculous physical tools.

This guy could be a dominant center. Someone who was really high on him, comped him to a more offensively oriented Gobert. And everyone raves about the intangibles of this guy. I'm still trying to collect my thoughts on him but he might have something.
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I would argue he’s a below average defensive rebounder for his size.
 
Bodhi said:
I would argue he’s a below average defensive rebounder for his size.
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We can go by some guys recently drafted (in their last college season):

7'4" Edey - 18.1% ORB / 25.4% DRB / 22% TRB / SR
7'2" Clingan - 13.8% ORB / 23.5 DRB / 19% TRB / SO
7'0" Ware - 7.9% ORB / 26% DRB / 17.5% TRB / SO
7'1" Lively - 12.4% ORB / 17.8% DRB / 15.2% TRB / FR
6''11" Duren - 14% ORB / 21.5% DRB / 18% TRB / FR
7'0" Williams - 13.2% ORB / 21.2% DRB / 17.5% TRB / SO
7'1" Kessler - 10.9% ORB / 22.2% DRB / 16.6% TRB / SO
7'2" Maluach - 16.5% ORB / 19.2% DRB / 18% TRB / FR

Better Offensive Rebounding than everyone except Edey
Worse Defensive Rebounding than everyone except Lively

So, it looks like you are correct.
 
Sam Vecenie's reasoning for why Ace is a good fit for the Utah Jazz is weird, lol.

It's not like Will Hardy has shown any aptitude at getting guys to defend or play smarter.

The "Will Hardy is an established coach" reasoning was also strange. Hardy is clearly less established than Nurse etc.

Also brings up Isaiah Collier being able to create shots but like.... The 76ers and Hornets have a lot of shot creators actually...
 
Here is my updated big board with tiers. The way I did my tiers this year is for groups of players that I would have a hard time arguing one prospect is much better than the other. Or in other words the difference between players within a tier is personal/team preference. I think this should be my last big board because I'm not sure why this would change much unless some injury has been reported. I've seen hours of film on almost everyone in the top 6 tiers now. I don't feel like I can gain much by watching a bunch more.

Tier 1: Best all around prospect
1.Flagg
Tier2: Best prospect of the rest
2.Harper
Tier 3: Should be a solid starter with some all star potential
3.VJ
4.Tre
5.Ace
Tier 4: Some all star potential if you squint
6.Kas
7.Fears
8.Kon
9.CMB
10.Traore
11.Khaman
12.Queen
13.Sorber
Tier 5: High level role players
14.Bryant
15.Coward
16.Fleming
17.Noa
18.Jase
Tier 6: Mostly theoretical guys, or high level older players
19.Clayton
20.Demin
21.Beringer
22.McNeeley
23.Wolf
24. Riley
25.Clifford
26.Proctor
27.Penda
Tier 7: Guys I'm not sure if I believe in, but are still interesting
28.Yang
29.Powell
30.Asa
31.Raynaud
32.Saraf
33.Hugo
34.Thiero
Tier 8: 2nd rounders that I think could make rotations/be good one day
35.Markovic
36.Yanic
37.Lanier
38.Broome
39.Kam Jones
40.Martin
41.Small
42.Kalkbrenner
43.Watkins
44.Bates
Tier 9: Second rounders that I don't really believe in, but I think are draftable
45.RJ Lewis
46.James
47.Toohey
48.Brea
49.Zikarsky
50.Sears
51.Nembhard
52.Peavy
53.Sandfort
54.Pate
 
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SoberasHotRod said:
Here is my updated big board with tiers. The way I did my tiers this year is for groups of players that I would have a hard time arguing one prospect is much better than the other. Or in other words the difference between players within a tier is personal/team preference. I think this should be my last big board because I'm not sure why this would change much unless some injury has been reported. I've seen hours of film on almost everyone in the top 6 tiers now. I don't feel like I can gain much by watching a bunch more.

Tier 1: Best all around prospect
1.Flagg
Tier2: Best prospect of the rest
2.Harper
Tier 3: Should be a solid starter with some all star potential
3.VJ
4.Tre
5.Ace
Tier 4: Some all star potential if you squint
6.Kas
7.Fears
8.Kon
9.CMB
10.Traore
11.Khaman
12.Queen
13.Sorber
Tier 5: High level role players
14.Bryant
15.Coward
16.Fleming
17.Noa
18.Jase
Tier 6: Mostly theoretical guys, or high level older players
19.Clayton
20.Demin
21.Beringer
22.McNeeley
23.Wolf
24. Riley
25.Clifford
26.Proctor
27.Penda
Tier 7: Guys I'm not sure if I believe in, but are still interesting
28.Yang
29.Powell
30.Asa
31.Raynaud
32.Saraf
33.Hugo
34.Thiero
Tier 8: 2nd rounders that I think could make rotations/be good one day
35.Markovic
36.Yanic
37.Lanier
38.Broome
39.Kam Jones
40.Martin
41.Small
42.Kalkbrenner
43.Watkins
44.Bates
Tier 9: Second rounders that I don't really believe in, but I think are draftable
45.RJ Lewis
46.James
47.Toohey
48.Brea
49.Zikarsky
50.Sears
51.Nembhard
52.Peavy
53.Sandfort
54.Pate
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I don't mean this to come off as aggressive—just genuinely curious. Looking at your draft board, it seems fairly aligned with consensus rankings aside from a few players. Is this because you find value in the wisdom of crowds approach, or do you think the consensus is simply more accurate this year and happens to align well with your independent analysis?
 
KqWIN said:
I don't mean this to come off as aggressive—just genuinely curious. Looking at your draft board, it seems fairly aligned with consensus rankings aside from a few players. Is this because you find value in the wisdom of crowds approach, or do you think the consensus is simply more accurate this year and happens to align well with your independent analysis?
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I'm not even sure what consensus is this year. I haven't looked at anyone's big boards in the last few weeks besides Tankathon, which I primarily use for looking at and comparing stats.

I didn't take consensus in to consideration at all when putting this together, although I can't say that the opinions of others didn't have any influence on me, obviously it did.
 
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