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Glenn Beck's coded language may refer to obscure LDS doctrine

But can you find sources for them?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/15/fox-news-divided-over-gle_n_499055.html

Glenn Beck has the 100% support of Fox News management."

https://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2703651

Whatever the reason, his popularity is astonishing. Since joining Fox News from CNN last year, he has attracted nearly three million viewers for his 5 p.m. television broadcast, a time slot considered one of the worst in the industry. His radio show is aired on more than 400 affiliates and he has had six bestselling books.

I don't think Beck has to worry about his popularity or salary wavering.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Beck

In June 2009, estimators at Forbes calculated Beck's earnings over the previous 12 months at $23 million, with 2009–2010 revenues on track to be higher.[65] Although the majority of his revenue results from his radio show and books, his website's 5 million unique visitors per month also provides at least $3 million annually, while his salary at Fox News is estimated at $2 million per year.[65] Additionally, Beck's online magazine Fusion sells an array of Beck-themed merchandise,[65] while his website offers a web subscription service called "Insider Extreme" where for $75 a year one gets access to behind-the-scenes footage and a fourth hour of his daily radio show.[1] In April 2010, Forbes calculated Beck's earnings for the previous year (March 2009 - March 2010) to be $32 million
Funny, it's always the conservatives I see with teh yellow stripes anytime a Mulim gets within 100 miles of them.

So you admit that you liberals are scared of Beck instead of refuting my point? Cool

Because you're killing the tax on tanning booths and premium health plans? Outside of that, Obama's plan (which is nothing like socialized medicine) was self-funded. Killing those two revenue streams won't change that.

How is it self funded when it adds trillions to our national deficit? Deficits that our kids and their grand-kids will pay off? How do you give health care to the lazy for free? The savings you're talking about are made because the CBO predicts that Medicare will be cut by $2 trillion over the next 10 years. Want to bet me to see if that happens?

https://biggovernment.com/pferrara/2010/03/19/the-obamacare-deficit-fraud/
America today suffers the spectacle of a President of the United States, and Democrat Congressional leadership, proclaiming to the nation that their socialized medicine plan will reduce budget deficits, based on fantastic assumptions of trillions of dollars in intractable cuts to Medicare that would leave that program unworkable in delivering health care to the America’s seniors.

https://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cbo-obamacare-would-cost-over-2-trillion

But $2.0 trillion wouldn’t be the total ten-year costs. Instead, that would merely be the “gross cost of coverage provisions.” Based on earlier incarnations of the proposed overhaul, the total costs would be about a third higher (the exact number can’t be gleaned from the CBO’s analysis, which is only preliminary and is not a full scoring) — making the total price-tag between $2.5 and $3 trillion over the bill’s real first decade.

How would we pay for all of this? According to the CBO, by diverting $1.1 trillion away from already barely-solvent Medicare and spending it on Obamacare, and by increasing taxes on the American people by over $1 trillion. Among the Medicare cuts would be cuts of $25,000 in Medicare Advantage benefits per enrollee — up from $21,000 in the previous scoring. To be clear, those living in South Florida wouldn’t have to worry about this, as the newly politicized nature of health care would cause them to be exempted. These cuts would affect only less-fortunate seniors, namely those living in just about any other part of the country.

Medicare already suffers an unfunded liability of $38 trillion according to Medicare’s own government actuaries. What Obama and Congressional Democrats are proposing is to loot $2.5 trillion from Medicare over the next 20 years to spend on new entitlements under Obamacare, and leave Medicare with that overwhelming unfunded liability.

Still, since the conservatives have almost no chance at winning the Senate, and no chance at all of getting 2/3 of either the house or the Senate, your bravado seems to lack support in reality.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/pu..._elections/nevada/election_2010_nevada_senate

You're about to lose your Senate Majority Leader....

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in Nevada finds Angle with 49% support and Reid at 48%.

Mike Lee ousted long term liberal Bob Bennett here in Utah. All around we're seeing a revolution. People are beginning to remember the Constitution. This is the cycle that is explained in the book 5,000 year Leap. You should read it.

Free markets are very good at creating wealth for the wealthy and keeping the poor poor.

It also keeps people motivated to work. It's also the foundation of our country. Sorry, we aren't socialists here. This country was founded upon freedom. You can be rich here if you want, just work at it. You can be a bum if you want, but just don't expect me to pay for it.

Since there have been taxes.

Yeah, because the government takes our taxes. That doesn't mean that they generate money or jobs. The private sector creates jobs and money, not government.

I understand the bleeding hearts in today's discussion. But the bottom line is, we cannot allow the government to hijack the auto industry, take over the health care industry, and tax us all to death. This country was founded upon freedom. And if the people of this country do not hold leaders to uphold the Constitution, then we give them unlimited power.
That's why I love watching Glenn Beck. Hate him if you want, but he's out there warning us about the dangers of giving one man, Obama, complete and unlimited power. Our government needs to get back to the principles that the founding fathers established.

Freedom, free market, and small and limited federal government.
 
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It also keeps people motivated to work. It's also the foundation of our country. Sorry, we aren't socialists here. This country was founded upon freedom. You can be rich here if you want, just work at it. You can be a bum if you want, but just don't expect me to pay for it.

lol Did you really feel the need to respond to that? Big Fundy doesn't get what the most liberal senator and the entire world do. There are all those studies that show pretty much zero economic growth for 9800 years, then KABOOOM! Laissez faire released human capital. But yeah, it only made rich folk like Warren Buffett, George Soros, the Rockefeller family, the Kennedy's, and Billiam Gates (all libs) better off. We're all surf's bro. I'm so ****ing serious. Life sux. I want a sickle, a horse, and flint and steel. That was the life bro. You're a moron.
 
Using the quotes of seven months ago to refute a story two weeks old? Not effective.

So you admit that you liberals are scared of Beck instead of refuting my point? Cool

What am I supposed to scared of?

How is it self funded when it adds trillions to our national deficit?

The Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act has been rated to very slightly reduce the deficit, compared to the situation before it passed. Your question is based on a false premise, and is therefore moot.

The savings you're talking about are made because the CBO predicts that Medicare will be cut by $2 trillion over the next 10 years.

I refuse to believe you really think the CBO is that stupid. Relying on a site by Brietbart for you information is naive. If I recommended a site by Michael Moore, how seriously would you take it? How many times does Breitbart have to show his untrustworthiness before you realize what he is?

You're about to lose your Senate Majority Leader....

Even if Nevadans will actually vote for Angle over Reid, why should that bother me? Reid has hardly been an effective leader of the Senate. However, saying he is "about to lose" when the race is too close to call is what I would expect from Breitbart.

People are beginning to remember the Constitution.

It's about time. Liberals never forgot about it.

It also keeps people motivated to work.

Name a country where people are not motivated to work due to "socialist" policies.

Sorry, we aren't socialists here. This country was founded upon freedom.

Socialists believe in freedom, as well.

You can be rich here if you want, just work at it.

Anyone who paid attention to the last half of the 19th century knows that, for the vast majority, hard work offered no relief from poverty.

Yeah, because the government takes our taxes. That doesn't mean that they generate money or jobs. The private sector creates jobs and money, not government.

Government spending winds up creating jobs with more efficiency than private wealth. If you really want more jobs, you'll support higher taxes.

I understand the bleeding hearts in today's discussion. But the bottom line is, we cannot allow the government to hijack the auto industry, take over the health care industry, and tax us all to death.

The government is trying to sell it's share of the auto industry. Should it have let GM and Chysler close shop instead? Many world economies thrive with much greatergovernment involvement in health care than Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act grants our government. We are a long way from being "taxed to death".

That's why I love watching Glenn Beck. Hate him if you want,

Why would he be worth hating?

but he's out there warning us about the dangers of giving one man, Obama, complete and unlimited power.

Most of that power was given to Bush. All of a sudden, it's scary that Obama has it. Hmm....
 
Hence the old Mormon adage about putting 100 Mormons in a room, and having a room full of people who believe 100 different things.
I think that is less true of Mormons than almost any other religion. Trust me, you cannot get a group of Church of England members to agree about even the most basic doctrines of their church. Mormons have had a lot of instruction in the basic doctrines of the church and basically believe in all of them if they are participating members.

I have never been able to listen to Glenn Beck for more than 10 seconds at a time - I think I am up to about 30 seconds total so far.
 
Jazzgal, I bet if you added up the times that you sat through a speech in Sacrament meeting where you found yourself slightly disagreeing with the theme or the message, because the speaker had interpreted a particular piece of scripture differently than you do, it would number in the dozens at least.

I'll give you an example. When I was about twelve or so, a man in our ward (who had nine kids) gave a sacrament meeting speech in which he passionately described the Catholic position on birth control, quoting from multiple places in the bible to demonstrate why using birth control was a sin and a gateway to hell. You wouldn't believe how much throat-clearing and uncomfortable shifting around there was in the chapel. Afterward there was a great deal of lingering in hallways as the adults discussed the controversy. On the ride home I asked my dad about it, and he said, "That's not what we believe."

I can't tell you how many times I've heard sacrament meeting speeches that involve the firey pits of hell, only to be provided with clarifications (sometimes immediately afterward in Sunday School) about the three kingdoms, outer darkness, and why that speech we just heard was not necessarily correct; but when we had doubts, or heard conflicting information, we knew what to do: search ponder and pray, baby.

I was recently having a conversation with a friend of mine who was asking me about some of the more controversial beliefs that get associated with Mormonism. Things like black people carrying the mark of Cain... I explained to him that in Mormonism there were beliefs that were solid church doctrine, as well as a smaller subset of beliefs that were "folk beliefs" -- things that were carried through generations regionally that other Mormons would find shocking.

Being Catholic, he was completely surprised that there were religions in which "folk beliefs" could even exist.

Another example would be the conflict between Mormonism and science: Generally, there isn't one. In Utah County elementary schools, we were taught global warming, evolution, natural selection, the big bang, etc. (I've read that they've stopped teaching evolution in Utah schools). And no Mormon I knew at the time had a problem with any of these issues. They tended to have a simple cosmological explanation for how these things fit with Mormon doctrine: God did them. Evolution was the process through which God created His creations, etc.

But since then I've met at least one Mormon who had scriptural reason to disagree with the science on each one of those issues.

We all know that it isn't very hard for someone with some time on his hands to digging and come up with a lot of statements and teachings by past Mormon leaders that conflict totally with current Mormon views. Have you never been in church or in conversation with other Mormons only to have one of them mention one of those views as though it were current and normal and accepted by everyone? At which point you probably grew a little bit uncomfortable, thought to yourself, "He's got that wrong," and changed the subject?

I would submit that that's a nearly universal experience for an LDS person.

By saying that the LDS church provides, as a matter of doctrine, the leeway for its members to believe many different things, I meant absolutely no offense; I didn't even think I was saying anything controversial. I didn't invent the adage, and in my experience, it mostly holds up. It's an exaggeration, naturally; but definitely many LDS people believe many different kinds of things.
 
Disagree. Since there's no professional clergy there's a significant amount of lay-doctrine and substantial regional differences in emphasis.

I was recently having a conversation with a friend of mine who was asking me about some of the more controversial beliefs that get associated with Mormonism. Things like black people carrying the mark of Cain... I explained to him that in Mormonism there were beliefs that were solid church doctrine, as well as a smaller subset of beliefs that were "folk beliefs" -- things that were carried through generations regionally that other Mormons would find shocking.

Being Catholic, he was completely surprised that there were religions in which "folk beliefs" could even exist.

The Universal Church has the same issues. It's not uncommon for members to search for a church they're in more agreement with. Additionally, not all instruction comes from professionally trained clergy. They have Sunday school taught similar to LDS. Members of the clergy interpret things differently. That's what the Pope is for. LDS leadership is the equivalent. The difference lies in unprofessionally trained local leadership. However, they receive support and leadership from above. It comes down the cascade.

To suggest a structured religion has more variability than most others isn't a fair comparison. The unstructured churches are highly variable from church to church. When differences become too pronounced they split and new denominations are formed. It doesn't makes sense to compare LDS variability with something like the Baptist Convention. There's plenty of doctrinal variability in such unstructured churches. Mormonism is more similar in structure to Islam, Judaism, and Catholicism. Good luck comparing those four. I suggest Judaism and Islam have the most variability. Islam doesn't have a spiritual leadership and there are many rifts among the Jews--always has been.
 
What I meant was the basic doctrines of the church - things covered in the Articles of Faith, for example. In the Mormon church, if you go through Primary, young womens/mens programs, and seminary it is unlikely that you do not have a pretty decent understanding of the basic doctrines of the church.

I have talked to people in a various religions that really didn't know what the basic doctrines of their church were - what they believe God is like, the history of their church, the basic rules. I have been amazed by that - how do you go to a church if you don't really understand what the beliefs are? I have figured out that many people don't worry about the specific beliefs of their church - they basically want to worship God in whatever way they are comfortable. That is not the way most Mormons approach their beliefs.

I am well aware that there is a lot of misinformation in the Church, but that isn't what I meant by my statement. I can see what you mean, however.
 
What I meant was the basic doctrines of the church - things covered in the Articles of Faith, for example.

I have seen one very Mormon member of this very board quite plainly screw up the second article of faith quite recently.

There are significant variations as to what portions of the Bible the eighth article of faith moots out.

The discussion of the gift of "tongues" in the seventh article of faith has been interpreted differently in different regions of the US. Particularly in areas where a fair number of members have converted from evangelical or pentacostal faiths.

The tenth article of faith refers to 1) a literal gathering of Israel and 2) that Zion will be established on the American continent. How those events relate to the present construction of the State of Israel in the Middle East is a subject of a significant amount of debate.

Just a handful of examples.
 
I have seen one very Mormon member of this very board quite plainly screw up the second article of faith quite recently.

I gotta hear this story. Who on the board believes someone will be punished for Adam's transgression? When did I miss this?

There are significant variations as to what portions of the Bible the eighth article of faith moots out.

Like what?
The discussion of the gift of "tongues" in the seventh article of faith has been interpreted differently in different regions of the US. Particularly in areas where a fair number of members have converted from evangelical or pentacostal faiths.

Examples please.

The tenth article of faith refers to 1) a literal gathering of Israel and 2) that Zion will be established on the American continent. How those events relate to the present construction of the State of Israel in the Middle East is a subject of a significant amount of debate.

I'm not sure what you're saying here, but are you aware of the Abrahamic Covenant?



Just a handful of examples.[/QUOTE]
 
Anyways, I'm not sure what you're arguing here. The LDS church and its members are educated about basic beliefs far more than most churches/religion, but that's just my opinion.
 
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