Gordon Hayward -> the next Pete Maravich?

[silesian]

At times he reminds me of a healthy brandon roy, but with a better 3pt shot.

Agree on Roy. Other decent comps are Mitch Richmond, Chris Mullin, Michael Finley.

 

[jope]

All I am saying is Maravich and Hayward are not comparable because, Maravich loved to be the star of the show, hit shots in clutch situations and was consistant, averaged 26 ppg while with the Jazz and did that while usually being hung over. Hayward is a great player, but even with a strong team around him, he isn't making anyone better around him. He also doesn't put the game on his back in tough situations and carry the Jazz to victory. I'm not saying that Hayward isn't a great player, but you cannot compare him to Pistol Pete. Hayward has a lot of good games, and twice a year he has "elite" games. Pistol Pete would call Haywards "elite" games, Tuesday.

Lets be real, Pistol was a true talent and visionary... but you are selling hayward waay short. PP took 25+ shots per game for several seasons. Pistol had a lower PER than Hayward does this season, shot a lower percentage, had a lower win share rate, worse offensive and defensive ratings, and "carried" the jazz to an amazing 185-307 (.376) record, while playing against far inferior talent and athleticism.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Lets be real, Pistol was a true talent and visionary... but you are selling hayward waay short. PP took 25+ shots per game for several seasons. Pistol had a lower PER than Hayward does this season, shot a lower percentage, had a lower win share rate, worse offensive and defensive ratings, and "carried" the jazz to an amazing 185-307 (.376) record, while playing against far inferior talent and athleticism.

Yeah, people like ignoring winning though.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

All I am saying is Maravich and Hayward are not comparable because, Maravich loved to be the star of the show, hit shots in clutch situations and was consistant, averaged 26 ppg while with the Jazz and did that while usually being hung over. Hayward is a great player, but even with a strong team around him, he isn't making anyone better around him. He also doesn't put the game on his back in tough situations and carry the Jazz to victory. I'm not saying that Hayward isn't a great player, but you cannot compare him to Pistol Pete. Hayward has a lot of good games, and twice a year he has "elite" games. Pistol Pete would call Haywards "elite" games, Tuesday.

This explains why Maravich's teams had such great records... uhhh... wait a second...

 

[fishonjazz]

I think Gordon is closer to Grant Hill before he was injured, though probably stronger (now) but not as athletic.

Good comp

 

[ghsartin]

I think Gordon is closer to Grant Hill before he was injured, though probably stronger (now) but not as athletic.

Hayward reminds me of Josh Howard at his peak. Seriously. During three seasons (06-07, 07-08 and 08-09), Howard averaged between 18.0 and 19.9 points per game while taking between 15.1 and 16.4 shots. During the last two seasons, Hayward average shot distance has been about 14.0 feet and, during those three aforementioned seasons, Howard number was 13.7.

Their shots also came from similar distances:

Hayward (15-16 and 16-17): 22% of his shots come from less than 3 feet from the basket; 16% between 3 and 10 feet; 13% between 10 and 16 feet; 16% were long 2s, between 16 feet and the 3 point line; and 16% of his shots were 3 pointers. Howard numbers were similar during the 06-07, 07-08 and 08-09 seasons: 21%, 13%, 18%, 27% and 20%.

Their shooting percentages from each distance were oddly similar. Hayward was assisted in about 38% of his shots, while Howard was assisted a bit more: 45% of the time.

Hayward is a better passer and probably better ballhander also, while Howard was a better rebounder. Both players used smarts to get to the rim, as they lacked a top-notch athleticism.

You can check out the numbers:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/haywago01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/howarjo01.html

 

[akirac73]

Hayward reminds me the most of Dan Majerle (during his Phoenix days). A strong, well rounded do-it-all type of player, a decent (not great) 3pt shooter, a three time NBA All-Star. Hayward's stats are a little better, but Majerle played with two superstars in Kevin Johnson and Charles Barkley at the time. Had Majerle played on a team where he was the best player, the stats probably wouldve been identical.

 

[The Midnight]

Hayward reminds me of Josh Howard at his peak. Seriously. During three seasons (06-07, 07-08 and 08-09), Howard averaged between 18.0 and 19.9 points per game while taking between 15.1 and 16.4. During the last two seasons, Hayward average shot distance has been about 14.0 feet and, during those three aforementioned seasons, Howard number was 13.7.

Their shots also came from similar distances:

Hayward (15-16 and 16-17): 22% of his shots come from lest than 3 feet from the basket; 16% between 3 and 10 feet; 13% between 10 and 16 feet; 16% were long 2s, between 16 feet and the 3 point line; and 16% of his shots were 3 pointers. Howard numbers were similar during the 06-07, 07-08 and 08-09 seasons: 21%, 13%, 18%, 27% and 20%.

Their shooting percentages from each distance were oddly similar. Hayward was assisted in about 38% of his shots, while Howard was assisted a bit more: 45% of the time.

Hayward is a better passer and probably better ballhander also, while Howard was a better rebounder. Both players used smarts to get to the rim, as they lacked a top-notch athleticism.

You can check out the numbers:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/haywago01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/howarjo01.html

Ok but Hayward dishing out nearly 2 more assists per game though.