Haberstroh: 82 Games Season Dead

[The Midnight]

All those things are proven wrong by the NFL. Did you even read the article when it explained the value of scarcity?

If that is your reasoning, why not play 100 games?

You're talking about 2 different sports and 2 different markets. You can afford to make your product more scarce and premium if your product is already the most popular on the market.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You're talking about 2 different sports and 2 different markets. You can afford to make your product more scarce and premium if your product is already the most popular on the market.

Think about anything in life. Scarcity makes things more popular. Ever heard the term "too much of a good thing".

Why is basketball popular? What is the driving marketing tool behind basketball? Stars.

If you were a NBA commissioner would you not want to limit things that injure the single most important resource of your game? Would you not want to prolong their careers? I would.

The NBA is different than the NFL in that good/great players are more valuable and more important to the quality of play. The NFL you can plug and play for a bunch of players without affecting the visual appeal, at least from a casual perspective, save for 1 position.

You know the NFL? You know what their biggest resource was? Quarterbacks. So they changed those damn rules so you cant touch quarterbacks anymore.

I dont get how any Jazz fan could be against this, especially after this injury riddled season.

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

The level of athleticism, and thus wear on the athletes' body, has grown considerably across the league.

So players were in worse shape back in the day, and that made it easier to complete an 82 game season?

Yes we have better athletes in the here and now but don't we also have better sports medicine? Better sports science? Better nutrition? Isn't it all relative?

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

Also not sure how this pertains to the article at all or how your complaints make any sense.

"I hear players complain about back-to-back or 4 games in 5 night stretches and I think about working class people who toil for much less money and I just can't find the sympathy."

Players arent really complaining, they are just doing what management and trainers are telling them to do for the best chance to win a championship, which our NBA society has placed the utmost importance on as far as legacy and greatness.

This isnt about making things "easier". It's about delivering a better product for the fans. Do you want to see players getting so banged up by the time the playoffs come they can barely even play? It makes no sense. I dont get why so many people are stuck to convention of how things use to be. **** changes and you should change the rules to compensate to make the best possible product. You can beat your chest and say "Oh well back in my day players were tough". So you really think basketball players have evolved into wimps? That doesnt seem likely.

Look, I understand there's a point/counterpoint to every argument. I've really tried to look at this from all sides objectively and every time I come to the conclusion that this is a manufactured argument coming from spoiled millionaires. I do disagree with you that players aren't the ones complaining. Is it coming from every player in the NBA? Of course not but the quotes are out there if you care to look for them. As far as the doctors chiming in, I'm sure an NFL player would perform better and stay healthier long term if he only played 10 games per season. Wow, what a stunning revelation!! Nobody's disputing that. My argument is, aren't these players getting payed millions because of the grind that they subject them to? I don't cling too much to the "back in my day" argument, but I think the NBA was much more watchable in the 80's and 90's and every single "problem" with an 82 game season existed then just as it does now.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Look, I understand there's a point/counterpoint to every argument. I've really tried to look at this from all sides objectively and every time I come to the conclusion that this is a manufactured argument coming from spoiled millionaires. I do disagree with you that players aren't the ones complaining. Is it coming from every player in the NBA? Of course not but the quotes are out there if you care to look for them. As far as the doctors chiming in, I'm sure an NFL player would perform better and stay healthier long term if he only played 10 games per season. Wow, what a stunning revelation!! Nobody's disputing that. My argument is, aren't these players getting payed millions because of the grind that they subject them to? I don't cling too much to the "back in my day" argument, but I think the NBA was much more watchable in the 80's and 90's and every single "problem" with an 82 game season existed then just as it does now.

So at what $ amount does this phenomena occur?

And yes, the NFL is starting to do dumb **** like put Thursday games in which limits rest between games for players and creates a worse product. There is pretty uniform agreement that Thursday games suck *** and that is largely because teams dont have enough time to rest and gameplan for their opponent on a short week.

Again, teh NBA players want to play. The teams and doctors are holding them out. So maybe a better explanation is that since the players are getting paid more money, team officials are more protective of them since they are huge assets. But ofc you want to blame it on the players being "soft". Could be racial implications in this.

I just have a hard time believing you have really looked at this from sides objectively when your final conclusion was money makes them want to play less games. If money was the primary factor then wouldn't they want to play more games? Your reasoning has too many holes.

What about other highly paid sports? Are NFL QB's complaining about too many games and sitting with injuries all the time because they get paid so much money?

You seem to equate the argument for less games to players being whiny bitches instead of players wanting to play at a higher level for fans so they can compete at a higher level? Why is that?
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[Saint Cy of JFC]

"The NBA is harder than the NFL, even if it doesn't have the big contact injuries," Elliott said. "NFL games are brutal on the body. At some positions they are head-to-toe bruise, and then they basically rest from high-intensity loading for five or six days."

NBA players, Elliott said, seldom have time for meaningful recovery.

"Dr. Marcus Elliott, who founded P3, a sports science lab headquartered in Santa Barbara, has studied hundreds of athletes from both the NFL and the NBA, and the physical toll each sport takes on its players

NBA pace and intensity has gotten so high. It's so ballistic, with accelerations and change of directions, even the athletes who are best adapted to play the game incur some tissue damage, with muscle soreness generally peaking 24-48 hours out, at which point they can be playing another game after a long flight and crappy sleep. Do this 82 times, plus playoffs ... that's a recipe for injury."

^Doctor opinions > random theory on more money making you more whiney about playing 82 games^

 

[♪alt13]

The level of athleticism, and thus wear on the athletes' body, has grown considerably across the league.

Are there actually more severe injuries happening more often? That's your argument right? It seems like there would be data to show that but all I ever hear/read is vague and seemingly subjective statements like the one you posted. Maybe its true but I have yet to see evidence to back it up.

 

[NAOS]

Yes we have better athletes in the here and now but don't we also have better sports medicine? Better sports science? Better nutrition? Isn't it all relative?

The answer is No.

 

[NAOS]

Are there actually more severe injuries happening more often? That's your argument right? It seems like there would be data to show that but all I ever hear/read is vague and seemingly subjective statements like the one you posted. Maybe its true but I have yet to see evidence to back it up.

I'm not going to follow through and find it (sorry), but there have been pieces written about the rise in ACL injuries.

 

[NAOS]

I'd support a reduction down to about 60ish games a year. No back-to-backs.

 

[NAOS]

Also, I love it when the "old school" people cite Larry Bird's toughness. The dude's career was probably seriously shortened because of the rigors of an 82-game season.

 

[RJF]

I get the wear and tear aspect of it but why not teach these AAU kids how to treat their bodies to help cull the risk of breakdowns and injuries? Most injuries are caused by body fatigue anyway. Preventative measures can go a long way.