Hayward & Jazz - not close to agreement (Hayward leaving 4/40 on the table)

[b_line]

I disagree with the notion that Gordon's ceiling is a fourth option. He can be a GOOD third option on a GOOD/CONTENDING team. I'd be just fine with him at 4/40...too bad that doesn't appear to jive with his camp.

I think the only ones on here who have said that they don't want Hayward for 4/40 or more are GVC, PKM and Frank the Tank. Otherwise, we pretty much all agree that over 11 per year is the ceiling.

 

[b_line]

Sorry... I'm on my phone... and I'm not being very clear.

The argument that he's worth more that 4/40 HAS TO INCLUDE an argument that he's more that just a good spot-up shooter. Well, are they making the argument that he is and always has been more that this, but that Al-fense kept him in this role? It'd be interesting to know.

Great argument.

 

[GVC]

I don't like 4/40 even if it is descending. That's a team killing contract for a 4th option.

What do you mean exactly (I've never found "option" number to be terribly descriptive of what role a player fills)? To me, ideally you have 1 or 2 guys on the court at all times who can play on-ball effectively. That is, if you have 3 effective on-ball players, you don't really need any more (only one ball on the court, diminishing returns, etc., etc...), and should focus on acquiring players who complement those players. Hayward is not one of these on-ball offensive hubs, and I think it's fairly unlikely he turns himself into one. With that said, he's already a terrific off-ball scorer, and could very easily be the #3 scorer on a contender. Think Memo without the defensive and transition warts. I think you can make an argument for him being worth about $10mm per year (this depends on your belief about the value of do-it-all off-ball players relative to players who fill high value roles- on-ball scorer/creator, rim protector, perimeter stopper). I agree that paying him more than that would likely be a mistake.

 

[green]

I think 4/40 is too high.

If Gordon goes out and is terrible tonight, does he sign the extension?

 

[b_line]

I think 4/40 is too high.

If Gordon goes out and is terrible tonight, does he sign the extension?

I really don't think either the team or Gordo are basing anything they are negotiating off of one game.

 

[green]

I really don't think either the team or Gordo are basing anything they are negotiating off of one game.

I know. But if you're Hayward, and you know you have 40 million guaranteed dollars waiting, but your agent says you're the bomb, and you go out and go 3-15 while Durrant scores 35 on you, you probably think long and hard about getting that guaranteed money.

 

[b_line]

I know. But if you're Hayward, and you know you have 40 million guaranteed dollars waiting, but your agent says you're the bomb, and you go out and go 3-15 while Durrant scores 35 on you, you probably think long and hard about getting that guaranteed money.

lol, if it was me, I would have signed the contract long ago. that is so much money.

 

[default]

If Hayward comes out tonight and acts like a leader and has a decent game, then I suspect the Jazz will up the offer to 4 years and 44-46 million. He would be foolish not to accept that.

 

[The Midnight]

lol, if it was me, I would have signed the contract long ago. that is so much money.

If I were Hayward I would sign for exactly the amount Favors got just to make it fair and to not create any animosity between the 2 future leaders of the team.

I also think it is a fair asking price for who he is as a player also.

 

[mellow]

I really don't think either the team or Gordo are basing anything they are negotiating off of one game.

No, overreaction of a single game is what jazzfanz does, Lindsey, KOC, and Zanick won't make that mistake.

 

[b_line]

If I were Hayward I would sign for exactly the amount Favors got just to make it fair and to not create any animosity between the 2 future leaders of the team.

I also think it is a fair asking price for who he is as a player also.

I don't think the Jazz will go that high. Favors is so much bigger, and has elite defense.

 

[The Midnight]

I don't think the Jazz will go that high. Favors is so much bigger, and has elite defense.

Yeah but I do think that's a good compromise. Favors has more potential for sure, but Hayward also provides pretty solid spot up shooting and playmaking abilities.