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ICE Shooting in Minnesota

It won’t end soon enough, but I do believe common sense alone says this extraordinary negativity of the Trump regime will fail. Trump and MAGA are headed for the dustbin of History. You can’t keep occupying cities with ICE. How Trump supporters actually WANT this chaos is beyond me. But, it’s no surprise that not one of our regular trolls dared to touch this thread, until that earlier incident involving Pretti. Then they thought their lies were safe enough to enter the thread. They all knew it was murder, an execution. But they had to wait, because they knew it was murder. If only they could find something about this damn ICU nurse, lol. Now, they actually think they found that something. Amazing their hatred of compassion, empathy, kindness, all the good angels of our human nature rejected as forms of weakness by Trump, Miller, and their followers.


You did this.

You, the people of Minneapolis did this. In the face of state terror and brutality, you held the line. Confronted with thousands of masked and armed agents of an administration that is demonstrably hostile to our constitutional liberties, as we have understood them for generations—you would not back down. In the winter streets of your city and its neighboring communities, armed with whistles, phones, and willpower, you lived out the values of a free people and vindicated once again the heritage of our democracy. You walked the walk of American freedom.

And you—here—did this. Online, in conversations with family, friends and neighbors, in peaceful protests large and small across our beloved country, in private prayers and passionate arguments—you, too, would not back down. You would not swallow the administration’s lies, nor give up on what our forebears bequeathed us. This moment belongs to all of you, as well.

From the first day of the second Trump administration, the plan has been to overwhelm you. To frighten you into meekness and servility. To convince you that you have no civic agency, that you are powerless.

This psychological assault on the public mind is a cornerstone of Donald Trump’s strategy to remake the American democracy in his image. And you all have just proven it to be a lie, a weak man’s assertion of an alien political ethos that is fundamentally at odds with the natural dignity, love of liberty, and plain decency of most Americans.

For months you have been told to accept the unacceptable: masked federal agents treating cities like conquered territory; families grabbed off sidewalks; workers taken on the way to jobs; people vanished for days without lawyers, without word to loved ones. You were told to look away, to keep quiet, to let “immigration enforcement” become a magical incantation that cancels the Bill of Rights.

They told you the First Amendment’s guarantee of “the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances” didn’t really apply when it comes to accomplishing Trump’s deportation goals;

That the Second Amendment’s guarantee of “the right of the people to keep and bear arms” wasn’t meant for Alex Pretti or others who disagree with this administration;

That the Fourth Amendment’s guarantee that “the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures” must give way when ICE agents want to storm into a home with a sham warrant;

That the Fifth Amendment’s guarantee that no person in our country shall be “deprived of life liberty, or property, without due process of law” depends on how much process the federal government under Donald Trump feels like providing.

None of that is true. But none of our liberties are actually guaranteed without a vigilant and active citizenry. Those fine words in our Bill of Rights come to life only in the actions of the people—voting, organizing, debating, protesting. Sometimes, it is only the physical fact of ordinary men and women standing up for those rights that preserves them. Alex Pretti and Renee Good were killed for doing just that. The price of freedom is paid in every generation.

Renee and Alex, and all the others who are out in the streets peaceably assembling, and all of you who are standing up and raising your voices in so many ways and so many places, have accomplished something else. You have shamed the powerful.

The Congress failed. The Supreme Court failed. The tech billionaires, the lords of finance and the titans of commerce failed. Much of the media failed. You know who didn’t fail? Ordinary Americans. They don’t have the power and money and platforms and influence that the leadership elites of our country possess. They have what matters most in this crossroads of our history. True American hearts. Real patriotism. And the courage of their convictions.

Minnesotans are not by their nature rabble-rousers. They are decent, Midwestern people, slow to anger. But they know right from wrong. They know truth from propaganda. And unlike so many in the leadership of our country, they insisted in this moment upon the most basic thing in a democracy: Reality. And to a regime built on bullying, lies, and baseless claims of authority—reality bites.

This isn’t the end, of course. Border Patrol Commander-at-Large Gregory Bovino may have been sent packing, DHS Secretary Kristi Noem may have been sidelined. But Donald Trump often retreats tactically so he can attack again strategically. The midterms are still a battleground, and the struggle to preserve our democracy as we have known it will continue.

But Minneapolis feels like a beginning: The rediscovery of civic agency, of the plain fact that a free people can still answer power with truth and force it to retreat. Not by violence. By solidarity.

Hold on to that. Practice it. Make it a habit.

They will come again. They will try a new pretext, a new target, a new lie.

Now you know the answer.

—Terry
 
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Lot of truth here. It is a fair analysis and related to the bigger picture of what he going on in the USA with the left vs ICE. Not to say ICE is not worthy of critique. But the problem with neoliberalism is it has become dogmatic, eschew's free thinking and feels a hatred even with people who strive to have a more nuanced perspective

As Huxley conveyed in Brave New World, ideas suggesting that individuals in a crowd might lose their ability to reason and make moral choices, becoming highly susceptible and lacking independent judgment or will. He also posited that the a significant portion of the population often prefers being told what to do and may lack significant intelligence or a desire for responsibility. Huxley used the term "herd-poisoning" to characterize how individuals within a group might capitulate their sense of personal responsibility and intelligence.

It makes me think of all the people who are just fine with us cramming thousands of legal citizens, legal immigrants, and illegal immigrants, including children in concentration camps in Florida, Texas, and now all over the country, causing hundreds of needless deaths and huge amounts of suffering. Or deporting people to prisons in 3rd world countries, apparently a huge chunk of the population is just fine with that since they "had it coming" with no mention of the fact that nearly half of them were here legally with no criminal record, and another close to a third were in refugee or some other status working toward legality according to our courts and legal system. Takes a special kind of hive-mind to dehumanize people so badly you can say "they had it coming" to terrible living conditions, disregard for the law and constitution, and basic human decency. Deport a 4 year old battling cancer just because you can. Do they ever stop to think if they should? Nope.
 
Do you know Tom Pitt - since I put my nose where it does not belong; I had to check Secretary of War (obviously I'm half-joking) D. Rumfelds' memos, letters and the the outfall.
I wonder if you can see the similarities. I think we - meaning all of us - are lucky that Trump cares about polling numbers. I seriously should have better things to do.
 

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Lot of truth here. It is a fair analysis and related to the bigger picture of what he going on in the USA with the left vs ICE. Not to say ICE is not worthy of critique. But the problem with neoliberalism is it has become dogmatic, eschew's free thinking and feels a hatred even with people who strive to have a more nuanced perspective

As Huxley conveyed in Brave New World, ideas suggesting that individuals in a crowd might lose their ability to reason and make moral choices, becoming highly susceptible and lacking independent judgment or will. He also posited that the a significant portion of the population often prefers being told what to do and may lack significant intelligence or a desire for responsibility. Huxley used the term "herd-poisoning" to characterize how individuals within a group might capitulate their sense of personal responsibility and intelligence.

This was borderline silly, I'm sorry. The left acts only out of a motivation of "the ends justifies the means"? While Trump sends Brown Shirts, completely against policy and the constitution, into ONLY majority democrat cities to harass legal citizens, legal immigrants, and illegals alike in accomplishing the end, including COMPLETELY DISREGARDING killings and twisting the news to fit his agenda, labeling them DOMESTIC TERRORISTS and desperately looking for anything in their past to justify it, rather than accepting the fact that these people were murdered. So the left uses the "ends justify the means" to disregard, demean, vilify, and nullify the right, you know in words and in policies and legislation, while the right just sends in jackbooted thugs to rip legal citizens from their cars and execute people, since for them also, the "ends justifies the means". Seems there is a difference in severity and scope of the reaction here. This video is a pathetic attempt to say "yeah I am fine with killing people and putting people in concentration camps, but I am SO MAD that you say we need to accept those trans people, and you want them EVERYWHERE!!! HOW DARE YOU!!!!!" My god that is so stupid. Take every time he mentions the left and "white patriarchy" and sub in the right and "the woke agenda" and it fits the right EQUALLY IF NOT BETTER, since we have already seen the depths to which the right will stoop to accomplish Project 2025, which is fascism prima facie. So yeah, this was a bad way to show your point, unless your point is that being forced to actually see trans people sometimes is EVERY BIT AS BAD as killing people in the street with no provocation.



Note: Just so people don't get stuck on the "trans people" part of this rant, I just used that as a placeholder for all the political left "boogeymen" the right loves to rail against. You could use "woke agenda" as well and get to the same point.


I do want to add, I am not a democrat. I feel a lot of the way they went about their agenda was against my personal beliefs, for example, I do not think schools should be allowed to withhold information about gender identify of students from parents, which was a big deal in California. I think leftist elitism is very selectively moral and does a lot to alienate ordinary people, so I agree with the words I used above about what the left has been doing way up on their high horses at times. But I am nuanced enough to understand that in a country with only 2 choices there is no good way to represent the population accurately or fully with only "left" and "right" labels. But I can also see that being sneaky about passing legislation legally is WORLD APART from sending a private army into the "enemy cities" to harass and kill people, to then demean the victims after, and lock REAL PEOPLE up in concentration camps. How the right cannot see this distinction is just beyond me. It shows a true cult mentality, tbh.
 
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Damn... I was mocked for pointing out the obvious truth that these people love to riot for child rapists are highly organized. Democrats(Modern Day Brown Shirts with a Sprinkle of Pedos) call that good disgustingly but here is the pedophile rioters that Dems call good admitting they actually want people to die for the pedophiles they adore and assault federal agents for. The Brown Shirt Pedos rioters angry that Trump is arresting their heroes are crazy.

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Where’s the pro ICE crowds? Never see pro Trump crowds braving the elements and marching for their country in crowds like this. It’s comical that MAGA thinks they’re paid. So transparent is their effort not to confront the truth, that millions of Americans really do remember who we are, what our values are. I used to think MAGA was rooted in anger at modernity. It’s mostly rooted in fear. Fear is behind nearly everything they stand for.

THESE are American patriots. Imagine, people preferring human decency and kindness to others over state sponsored terror. That’s what ICE is after all.






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No, History is not going to forget. Neither the terror, nor the People’s response.


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That's pretty ****ed up for you to do. People have their own lives. What garbage humans one has to be to brag about shutting down an airport because you lost an election. Making everyone else's lives miserable because ICE arrested pedophiles. This forum is by the darkest political forum I've ever visited. You guys are pretty damn hardcore lol. 1000008123.png
 
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The ghost of Martin Niemöller
Haunts the halls of history
When they came for the communists
He said “It’s nothing to do with me”

When they came for the democrats
He had nothing to say
And when they came for the Jews
He just looked the other way

His silence didn’t save him
When they came for him as well
There was no one to speak out for him
Resistance had been quelled

What excuses would you tell yourself
If this ever happened to you?
Well I live in a city of heroes
I know what I would do

When they came for the immigrants
I got in their face
When they came for the refugees
I got in their face
When they came for the five-year-olds
I got in their face
When they came to my neighborhood
I just got in their face

They use tear gas and pepper spray
Against our whistles and our phones
But in this city of heroes
We will protect our home

When they dragged people from their cars
I got in their face
When they took families from their homes
I got in their face
When they murdered our sister
I got in their face
When they murdered our brother
I still got in their face

In Dachau Martin Niemöller
Suffered for his complicity
But in this city of heroes
We learn the lessons of history

I will bear witness to terror
I will bear witness to tyranny
I will bear witness to murder
I will bear witness to fascism
 
This hits close to home. One would think that people would be rioting over this rather than some idiot kicking a police vehicle. Sad that none of you give a flying s* about this poor lady.

@Red earlier today-"You’re doing what this administration hopes you do: ignore the atrocities, ignore the murders, ignore the prison camps." (The camps Obama built(I added that part))


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