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"In retrospect, King won the Williams' trade in a landslide."

I'm not even sold on the assumption Brooklyn will be better than the Jazz THIS season.

C- Lopez vs. Big Al. Both can score, neither defends. Al is a good rebounder. Lopez coming back from a injury and just signed a huge contract. Al playing for one. Slight Advantage UTAH.
PF - Millsap vs. Humphries. No comment needed. Big advantage Utah
SF- Wallace vs. Marvin Williams. Gerald is on the decline. Shooting percentages last season were pretty close. Slight advantage Nets.
SG - Johnson vs. Hayward. Johnson wins on violume, but again, if you compare shooting %'s, assists and rebounds, they're comparable. Advantage Nets.
PG - Williams vs. Williams. I really like Mo. I hate Deron. But I'm not stupid (despite what you might hear from my wife). Big advantage Utah, I mean Nets.

Startiung lineup: I'll give the Nets a 5-8 pt advantage.

Bench: Favors, Kanter, Burks, Fredette (joking) against Brooks, Bogans and Stackhouse (can you believe he's still in the league?). Marshon is a good prospect, but he's it off the bencdh (unless I missed someone). Utah has a HUGE advantage here, probably more than enough to compensate for a weaker starting 5, at least in the regular season.
 
asian_roger said:
Trade is win-win, but damn wouldn't it feel good for the Jazz to win it all and D-will signs somewhere else?
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How is this trade a win-win? Nets were in need of rebuilding as much as we were. It's not like one team was rebuilding and one team was established and needed a veteran, so they traded some of their picks for a veteran, which was not critical to the other team. This is a trade when there has to be 1 winner and 1 loser, because Nets are Jazz are in similar position - building a team. Now, I fail to see how we can be a winner. PG is our biggest weakness, we don't have any star players, and the young guys we got play the same position as our best players, who are also not old, and are better than the youngsters. If we kept DWill, we would have had same starters at big positions AND the best PG in the League and a superstar. How in the world was this a win for us? We lost, and we lost big time.
 
kabenac said:
Kanter's 20 and hadn't played college basketball the previous year and didn't receive a proper camp - what did the article's writer think was going to happen? 20 and 10? Also, just because Kanter and Favors aren't starting doesn't mean there's a problem - it merely means Utah has a glut of decent 4s and 5s - most teams would love to be in our situation....
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Instead of glut at PF/C, it is better to maintain the starters and also have the best PG in the League to compliment them. No?
 
Yeah I don't see how the Nets are going to from the lotto to the top of the East. They added Gerald Wallace & Joe Johnson? Decent players sure but enough to completely turn them around?
 
freakazoid said:
The Nets dodged a bullet and narrowly avoided disaster, but they got their superstar re-signed. As of right now, they have a sure thing, while Utah has a lot of potential. That doesn't mean that Utah lost, because we're better off than if we had gambled and lost him for nothing, but as of right now, they have a star and we don't. You can try and rationalize all you want, and it's definately possible that we will be much better than them in the future, but it isn't a sure thing by any means.



Too soon to say this for sure, but it's possible. Also, trading Al at the right time to keep the GS pick could have been huge as well.
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I wonder how many people will be calling DWill a Superstar after this year. If it looks anything like the last two his contract will be a nightmare to unload.
 
Borat said:
If we kept DWill, we would have had same starters at big positions AND the best PG in the League and a superstar.
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Deron was on his way out the door. I guess we would have been big winners if we had lost him for nothing.

Borat said:
How in the world was this a win for us? We lost, and we lost big time.
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It's too soon to really declare anything like this, one way or the other. It's entirely possible we end up with at least one all-star or more + other assets. The Nets are a definite win here, but it's very possible we end up with just as much of a win, if not moreso.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I wonder how many people will be calling DWill a Superstar after this year. If it looks anything like the last two his contract will be a nightmare to unload.
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Well I am not exactly ready to call him a bust or not a good player anymore, BUT he is shooting under 40% (450-1130) as a Net and averaging 4 turnovers a game (worst in the NBA). This should probably improve with Lopez back and Joe Johnson & Wallace helping out. But still 39% and 4 TOs a game for 20M a year?
 
Didn't read previous 6 pages but I had to give my opinion. Nets look like winners now, only because they have created the illusion of success in order to sell tickets in NY. But the ball hasn't even bounced yet. Lets see what happens when Deron gets used to those big checks, and Avery Johnson tries to coach him, and Billy King can't trade Humphries for Kevin Love and Joe Johnson is shooting too much ......then pissy Deron returns and all hell breaks loose.

Of course as a Jazz fan I am more concerned that Favors somehow gets on the court and kanter somehow learns how to jump and play.
 
Borat said:
How is this trade a win-win? Nets were in need of rebuilding as much as we were. It's not like one team was rebuilding and one team was established and needed a veteran, so they traded some of their picks for a veteran, which was not critical to the other team. This is a trade when there has to be 1 winner and 1 loser, because Nets are Jazz are in similar position - building a team. Now, I fail to see how we can be a winner. PG is our biggest weakness, we don't have any star players, and the young guys we got play the same position as our best players, who are also not old, and are better than the youngsters. If we kept DWill, we would have had same starters at big positions AND the best PG in the League and a superstar. How in the world was this a win for us? We lost, and we lost big time.
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Please don't tell me you still honestly believe this.
 
Well, I think some Jazz fans have forgotten that DW has played with a bad wrist for two years and that might have affected his shooting. I have watch DW on the USA team and his shot looks like it did when he played for Utah.

It will be interesting to see what happens in NJ. They will be competitive but are they good enough to beat the Celtics, Heat, or a healthy Chicago team. I do not think so but I have to see them play together before I claim that losers or winners in this trade.
 
cowhide said:
Well, I think some Jazz fans have forgotten that DW has played with a bad wrist for two years and that might have affected his shooting. I have watch DW on the USA team and his shot looks like it did when he played for Utah.

It will be interesting to see what happens in NJ. They will be competitive but are they good enough to beat the Celtics, Heat, or a healthy Chicago team. I do not think so but I have to see them play together before I claim that losers or winners in this trade.
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The Bulls and healthy is an oxymoron.
 
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