IRS Targeting Right Wing Groups

[MoreFeasts]

That is what we call an opinion.

A correct opinion.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Why?
Where are you getting your information from?
I don't believe that there is any connection between the IRS actions and Obama.
You want the IRS to be independent , don't you? Are you upset that Obama is failing to exert more control over IRS actions?

I'll lean on The Daily Show here and mention that it seems anytime his administration gets caught in obvious misconduct, his go-to response is to feign that he first heard about it on the news as well. That means one of two things:

1) He's lying about how much he knows which can lead you into a rabbit hole.
2) He needs to get his house in order and has had to for a long time and he makes a poor excuse for a guy that's supposed to be running the show moreso than any individual in government.

It's one or some mixture of both. Neither comfort me.

 

[One Brow]

From the wiki reference provided by 1B

I'm guessing you meant me. Please don't abbreviate my name. I've been "One Brow" for 30 years, and I'm not fond of other variations.

"The law allows Section 501(c)(4) organizations to self-declare and hold themselves out as tax-exempt; they do not have to obtain any approval from the Internal Revenue Service."

You missed this part: Contributions to 501(c)(4) organizations are usually not deductible as charitable contributions for U.S. federal income tax, with a few exceptions.[

You need IRS approval to have donations be tax-deductible.

Brow, If you weren't just throwing crap on a wall, you would quote the part of your reference you think proves your point, instead of making me have to guess which part of the crap is the evidence that I am supposed to respond to.

There were three different paragraphs on the experiences of organizations with liberal-sounding names. I see no need to force you to read the article.

Still waiting for you to provide an iota of evidence that liberal groups were targeted recently.

 

[MoreFeasts]

I'll lean on The Daily Show here and mention that it seems anytime his administration gets caught in obvious misconduct, his go-to response is to feign that he first heard about it on the news as well. That means one of two things:

1) He's lying about how much he knows which can lead you into a rabbit hole.
2) He needs to get his house in order and has had to for a long time and he makes a poor excuse for a guy that's supposed to be running the show moreso than any individual in government.

It's one or some mixture of both. Neither comfort me.

People should stop getting so upset just because the guys on FOX or COMEDY CENTRAL are upset. Those guys screw up issues a lot.

So, you think that Obama directed the IRS to discriminate against conservative groups based on zero evidence. and it does not matter to you that the Tea Party is a campaign oriented organization, and therefore should not be approved for nonprofit status.

 

[One Brow]

I'll lean on The Daily Show here and mention that it seems anytime his administration gets caught in obvious misconduct, his go-to response is to feign that he first heard about it on the news as well.

I think "feign" stacks the deck a bit, there.

That means one of two things:

1) He's lying about how much he knows which can lead you into a rabbit hole.
2) He needs to get his house in order and has had to for a long time and he makes a poor excuse for a guy that's supposed to be running the show moreso than any individual in government.

It's one or some mixture of both. Neither comfort me.

Try this one: in the determination to hand scandals on the Obama administration, even programs that we would not expect him to personally approve, such as individual programs to track illegal gun sales or details in IRS approval standards for a specific group are being ferreted out and cast in a large light. No one person had time to approve every specific the IRS policy on which applications to review, let alone POTUS. However, we have an absence of large scandals so far. There's no Iran-Contra, no lying about WMDs, no bombing of Slavic countries, no erasure of Glass-Steagall protections, etc. Take the size of this scandal, multiply by several Treasury departments, and then another 14 Cabinet positions, and asked yourself if you think any POTUS could manage all that.

 

[MoreFeasts]

I'm guessing you meant me. Please don't abbreviate my name. I've been "One Brow" for 30 years, and I'm not fond of other variations.



You missed this part: Contributions to 501(c)(4) organizations are usually not deductible as charitable contributions for U.S. federal income tax, with a few exceptions.[

You need IRS approval to have donations be tax-deductible.



There were three different paragraphs on the experiences of organizations with liberal-sounding names. I see no need to force you to read the article.

Still waiting for you to provide an iota of evidence that liberal groups were targeted recently.

IB, I did not miss anything. I quoted one part that I found particularly interesting. You are implying that I am misleading or making a mistakes somehow by making a quote, but there is no basis for this accusation.

 

[MoreFeasts]

I already covered this area in my discussions with Stoked. There is no need for me to pile more onto this exponentially growing maze. You have failed to address many statements and questions that have already been made. When you address all of them, I will take consider taking the time to educate more on how illogical you are.

 

[MoreFeasts]

It did not state that all conservative groups apps were held in suspense.
It did not state that no liberal apps were held in suspense.
It did not make a detailed analysis of the merits of any of the applications.

Here you go 1B, for your education, chew on these for now.
Where is your proof countering these statements?

 

[NUMBERICA]

I think "feign" stacks the deck a bit, there.

I had the same thought, but I find it very hard to believe that he has no idea what's going on with such regularity to the point that he gets his news about his own administration through the media.

 

[MoreFeasts]

I'll lean on The Daily Show here and mention that it seems anytime his administration gets caught in obvious misconduct, his go-to response is to feign that he first heard about it on the news as well. That means one of two things:

1) He's lying about how much he knows which can lead you into a rabbit hole.
2) He needs to get his house in order and has had to for a long time and he makes a poor excuse for a guy that's supposed to be running the show moreso than any individual in government.

It's one or some mixture of both. Neither comfort me.

Again, Obama should not be directing the IRS. The IRS should be operating independently of political influence. You want Obama to have be more involved and not involved at the same time.

Political campaign oriented groups are not meant to be given nonprofit status. Tea Party Groups are campaign oriented groups. What is the problem?

 

[MoreFeasts]

It is really sad that Fox News and Comedy Central are the most powerful forces driving public opinion in the world. They sing and everybody from Congress to the rest of the media to the US Attorney General dances.

 

[One Brow]

IB, I did not miss anything. I quoted one part that I found particularly interesting. You are implying that I am misleading or making a mistakes somehow by making a quote, but there is no basis for this accusation.

MoreFeasts,

You missed a basic call for politeness, and that the tax-exemption for donations is what these groups are waiting for.

 

[MoreFeasts]

So what? I was making a point about another part of the reference. YOU missed what I quoted. Stop doing that. I don't want to see one more statement from you that is incomplete from covering every aspect of every discussion fully. Please hold youself to your own standards. Why did you fail so miserably to quote the part that I quoted? I think you are intentionally trying to mislead everyone.

 

[MoreFeasts]

Did you inform everyone that donations to organizations that are used for campaigns are not tax deductible?
I am pretty sure that you have failed to document that so far. What is wrong with you?

 

[Stoked]

So what? I was making a point about another part of the reference. YOU missed what I quoted. Stop doing that. I don't want to see one more statement from you that is incomplete from covering every aspect of every discussion fully. Please hold youself to your own standards. Why did you fail so miserably to quote the part that I quoted? I think you are intentionally trying to mislead everyone.

Hello Mr. Pot.

 

[MoreFeasts]

Did anyone notice that the articles have said that the Attorney General has not looked at the evidence yet? Maybe we should wait until the evidence is looked at before concluding that the IRS did anything terrible!
Oh , 1B did not quote this? Hmmm interesting.... seems like deficient posting to me.

 

[Stoked]

Did anyone notice that the articles have said that the Attorney General has not looked at the evidence yet? Maybe we should wait until the evidence is looked at before concluding that the IRS did anything terrible!
Oh , 1B did not quote this? Hmmm interesting.... seems like deficient posting to me.

Maybe we should wait for evidence before assuming these groups did. But you have no interest in real discussion. Just trolling. Please continue.

 

[MoreFeasts]

One Brow:
"the tax-exemption for donations is what these groups are waiting for"
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I believe you are wrong. That is why you should use quotes instead of vague references to piles of information.

 

[MoreFeasts]

Maybe we should wait for evidence before assuming these groups did. But you have no interest in real discussion. Just trolling. Please continue.

I was the one that actually pointed out this important piece of information. You want the discussion to avoid important information apparently. Just read the headlines, no need to go farther. Good job.

 

[MoreFeasts]

"Contributions to 501(c)(4) organizations are usually not deductible as charitable contributions for U.S. federal income tax, with a few exceptions"

SUCK IT dumb as rocks know it all

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Edit: read this post as a follow up to post #158, 2 above.