Israel-Hamas War

[Mongoose]

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US veterans burn their uniforms in support of Aaron Bushnell.

I know people here want to just write him off as someone with mental issues, but he wasn’t that. He was an American serviceman prepared to do something and even die for his country. Even someone prepared to die for his country couldn’t do what they wanted him to do in Gaza. His protest isn’t going to disappear and go away quietly the way the war machine wants it to. He’s not alone.

 

[One Brow]

Even someone prepared to die for his country couldn’t do what they wanted him to do in Gaza.

The only thing Americans are doing in Gaza is dropping airlift supplies.

 

[fishonjazz]

The only thing Americans are doing in Gaza is dropping airlift supplies.

War monger behavior.

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[Mongoose]

The only thing Americans are doing in Gaza is dropping airlift supplies.

Are you an active duty serviceman stationed in Israel right now? I had no idea.
Many who have been obviously didn’t like what they saw.

 

[Mongoose]

We were lied to and we were wrong about Afghanistan and Korea and Vietnam and Yemen and Syria and Iraq and Ethiopia, but I’m sure this time it’s different. I’m sure Ukraine is different as well. I don’t understand how so many out of touch Americans can convince themselves of this.
We obviously won all this wars and we’re all so much safer now that we dropped so much bombs, I mean democracy around the world, am I right?
I’m certainly not going to listen to all those folks that return from these wars. I mean they all come back all messed up from spreading so much democracy and aid dropping. Why would anyone listen to the people that were there?

 

[One Brow]

... what they saw.

Thank you for admitting you were wrong.

 

[Mongoose]

Thank you for admitting you were wrong.

You can pretend to know but you don’t

 

[George W]

Most Americans support a ceasefire, and most Americans support giving Israel military aid. Biden is following public opinion.

He isn’t following popular opinion, he is following American geopolitical (and imperialist) interests. If popular support led to policy decisions then Americans would have had Medicare for All several years ago. Let’s cut this dumb *** charade right now: this genocide would end tomorrow if Biden wanted it to. The fact that it continues falls firmly on the shoulders of America. Squirm and squabble all you want, this is the truth. It is also the truth that this is a genocide. More children in Gaza have died in four months than in every conflict in the last four years.

- George

 

[Al-O-Meter]

He isn’t following popular opinion, he is following American geopolitical (and imperialist) interests. If popular support led to policy decisions then Americans would have had Medicare for All several years ago. Let’s cut this dumb *** charade right now: this genocide would end tomorrow if Biden wanted it to. The fact that it continues falls firmly on the shoulders of America. Squirm and squabble all you want, this is the truth. It is also the truth that this is a genocide. More children in Gaza have died in four months than in every conflict in the last four years.

- George

If things are so bad for the Gazans then why haven't they surrendered?

The Gazans started this. The Gazans are still holding hostages. There is no cease fire because the Gazans refused the Israeli cease fire offer, and no the Gazans will not stop warring if Biden tells them to so your assertion is fairy tales. The only party who wants this conflict to continue is the people of Gaza. This all ends the day the people of Gaza decide peace is the way forward.

 

[Mongoose]

Washington Post reports that there were over 100 other arms deals that have been sent to Israel since Oct 7th.

"Over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed and over 71,000 wounded in Gaza since October 7, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry, which says about 70% of the casualties are women and children. Despite the massive civilian casualty rate, the US is looking to give Israel another $14 billion in military aid on top of the $3.8 billion it receives each year."

US Has Approved 100 Arms Deals for Israel Since October 7 to Support Gaza Slaughter - News From Antiwar.com

The Biden administration has secretly approved more than 100 separate Foreign Military Sales to Israel since October 7 to support the mass killing of Palestinians in Gaza, The Washington Post reported on Wednesday. It's unclear how many of the sales are being funded by the US, but many could be,…

news.antiwar.com

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Washington Post reports that there were over 100 other arms deals that have been sent to Israel since Oct 7th.

"Over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed and over 71,000 wounded in Gaza since October 7, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry, which says about 70% of the casualties are women and children. Despite the massive civilian casualty rate, the US is looking to give Israel another $14 billion in military aid on top of the $3.8 billion it receives each year."

US Has Approved 100 Arms Deals for Israel Since October 7 to Support Gaza Slaughter - News From Antiwar.com

The Biden administration has secretly approved more than 100 separate Foreign Military Sales to Israel since October 7 to support the mass killing of Palestinians in Gaza, The Washington Post reported on Wednesday. It's unclear how many of the sales are being funded by the US, but many could be,…

news.antiwar.com

If things are so bad for the Gazans then why haven't they surrendered?

The Gazans started this. The Gazans are still holding hostages. There is no cease fire because the Gazans refused the Israeli cease fire offer. The only party who wants this conflict to continue is the people of Gaza. This all ends the day the people of Gaza decide peace is the way forward.

 

[fishonjazz]

He isn’t following popular opinion, he is following American geopolitical (and imperialist) interests. If popular support led to policy decisions then Americans would have had Medicare for All several years ago. Let’s cut this dumb *** charade right now: this genocide would end tomorrow if Biden wanted it to. The fact that it continues falls firmly on the shoulders of America. Squirm and squabble all you want, this is the truth. It is also the truth that this is a genocide. More children in Gaza have died in four months than in every conflict in the last four years.

- George

Could Biden actually stop Israel attacking Palestinians by himself? Congress wouldn't have to be down with that as well?
What would that look like? Let's say Congress and Biden and all of America wants Israel to stop attacking Palestine so we tell them so. No more money. No more weapons. We charge them with war crimes. We condemn them. We tell them they are no longer an ally.

What if they keep attacking Palestinians after all that? Do we go to war against Israel? What if we do all the condemning and we don't give them money or weapons and we sanction them and it works and they stop attacking but soon after they stop, Hamas and Hezbollah attack Israel again? Do we expect Israel to not reciprocate in that scenario?

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[Mongoose]

If things are so bad for the Gazans then why haven't they surrendered?

The Gazans started this. The Gazans are still holding hostages. There is no cease fire because the Gazans refused the Israeli cease fire offer. The only party who wants this conflict to continue is the people of Gaza. This all ends the day the people of Gaza decide peace is the way forward.

The proposed ceasefire/hostage exchange have been non starters because Israel is only offering a 6 week ceasefire where Gaza wants a permanent ceasefire. They cant afford to give away their only bargaining chip for a 6 week pause on genocide.

From the BBC article- "The priority for us in Hamas is not the exchange of detainees, but the cessation of the war."

Netanyahu Breaks Off Hostage Talks With Hamas - News From Antiwar.com

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told Qatari and Egyptian officials that Israeli officials will not engage in another round of talks until Hamas provides a full list of living Israeli hostages in Gaza. This news is a blow to President Joe Biden, who predicted a deal would be done as soon…

news.antiwar.com

Israel Gaza: Biden hopes for ceasefire by next week

The US president says the warring sides are close to a truce but Hamas says a deal is not that close.

www.bbc.com

more info-

Hamas showing 'flexibility' in Gaza Ramadan ceasefire talks

Hamas has said it has shown the required flexibility to achieve a deal providing for a complete cessation of the Israeli aggression on Gaza.

www.newarab.com

 

[Sardines]

The proposed ceasefire/hostage exchange have been non starters because Israel is only offering a 6 week ceasefire where Gaza wants a permanent ceasefire. They cant afford to give away their only bargaining chip for a 6 week pause on genocide.

From the BBC article- "The priority for us in Hamas is not the exchange of detainees, but the cessation of the war."

Netanyahu Breaks Off Hostage Talks With Hamas - News From Antiwar.com

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told Qatari and Egyptian officials that Israeli officials will not engage in another round of talks until Hamas provides a full list of living Israeli hostages in Gaza. This news is a blow to President Joe Biden, who predicted a deal would be done as soon…

news.antiwar.com

Israel Gaza: Biden hopes for ceasefire by next week

The US president says the warring sides are close to a truce but Hamas says a deal is not that close.

www.bbc.com

more info-

Hamas showing 'flexibility' in Gaza Ramadan ceasefire talks

Hamas has said it has shown the required flexibility to achieve a deal providing for a complete cessation of the Israeli aggression on Gaza.

www.newarab.com

Their "bargaining chip"?

Indeed.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Gaza wants a permanent ceasefire.

That claim is laughable. If Gaza really wanted a permanent ceasefire then all they'd need to do is surrender and end the war. Gaza is refusing any deal that doesn't let them continue the fight, and the Gazan people seem willing to continue to pay the price to continue the fight. Kids in Gaza are dying because the adults in Gaza support the continuation of the environment in which their kids are killed. It is crazy. I have yet to see a single poll of the Gazan people condemning the path Hamas has chosen for them.

 

[One Brow]

He isn’t following popular opinion, he is following American geopolitical (and imperialist) interests. If popular support led to policy decisions then Americans would have had Medicare for All several years ago. Let’s cut this dumb *** charade right now: this genocide would end tomorrow if Biden wanted it to. The fact that it continues falls firmly on the shoulders of America. Squirm and squabble all you want, this is the truth. It is also the truth that this is a genocide. More children in Gaza have died in four months than in every conflict in the last four years.

- George

It's true we give Israel a lot of aid, it's also true that Israel is a relatively wealthy country. They like our aid, but don't need it. Given that, how would Biden stop the carnage?

I agree the Gazan situation is genocide. Are you supporting armed intervention?

 

[Mongoose]

Their "bargaining chip"?

Indeed.

I know right? Can you believe the audacity these people have to remain alive?

 

[Mongoose]

That claim is laughable. If Gaza really wanted a permanent ceasefire then all they'd need to do is surrender and end the war. Gaza is refusing any deal that doesn't let them continue the fight, and the Gazan people seem willing to continue to pay the price to continue the fight. Kids in Gaza are dying because the adults in Gaza support the continuation of the environment in which their kids are killed. It is crazy. I have yet to see a single poll of the Gazan people condemning the path Hamas has chosen for them.

I guess I should take your word for your made up ********

 

[One Brow]

If things are so bad for the Gazans then why haven't they surrendered?

The Gazans started this. The Gazans are still holding hostages. There is no cease fire because the Gazans refused the Israeli cease fire offer, and no the Gazans will not stop warring if Biden tells them to so your assertion is fairy tales. The only party who wants this conflict to continue is the people of Gaza. This all ends the day the people of Gaza decide peace is the way forward.

The population of Gaza, to my understanding, is 50% under the age of 19. Children are not holding hostages. It is vile to say the children should be suffering starvation and genocide. They are the primary victims of the conflict.

 

[Sardines]

I know right? Can you believe the audacity these people have to remain alive?

Maybe they'll live long enough to kill even more Israeli civilians and maybe even rape more children along the way, all while gathering more "bargaining chips."