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Jazz select Grayson Allen at 21

I don't watch any college ball so have no idea about the other players. But if Jazz management, DM and Rudy support GA as a pick, then I think he will be fine. I'd rather have someone who is over competitive and willing to work for a position than someone who is soft and doesn't want to practice or looks like a deer in headlights.

If GA turns out to be a solid shooter and can hold his own on defense, it probably means that Neto will need to be moved (assuming Dante stays).

I imagine we will probably hold onto Alec as backup insurance to fight out remaining minutes behind Ingles at SF with Royce (and Sefalosha depending on health)..
 
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I don't watch any college ball so have no idea about the other players. But if Jazz management, DM and Rudy support GA as a pick, then I think he will be fine. I'd rather have someone who is over competitive and willing to work for a position than someone who is soft and doesn't want to practice or looks like a deer in headlights.

If GA turns out to be a solid shooter and can hold his own on defense, it probably means that Neto will need to be moved (assuming Dante stays). I imagine we will probably hold onto Alec to fight out remaining minutes behind Ingles at SF with Royce depending on matchups.

We have a good group of guys but I do wonder... what we’re rudy and DM supposed to say? We don’t like the pick we wanted the French kid. The ingles Rubio welcome exchange was pretty funny. I enjoy the guys running each other and how friendly and funny they are... I’ll bet our locker room is top 2-3 as far as fun, supportive teammates.
 
I want to see a poll on this pick. Seems like a lot of fans hate it.

I don’t understand it at all. Character matters. And just because Allen behaved his senior year doesn’t mean the character flaws aren’t there.
Funny because when everyone was debating DW vs CP3 I didn't hear too many not wanting CP3 because he punched a few guys in the balls. From all accounts Allen, is smart and a nice guy and teammate.

Yes the tripping incidents are certainly a cause for concern but I don't think they define the guy. I am fine with the pick need to see how his defense is. People who were expecting an all-star at 21 then perhaps you should lower your expectations. I think he fits perfect as a bench player which the Jazz need. Our bench struggles with scoring so I think he can help.
 
Eh, I think that two lessons that the Jazz have learned about drafting are:

1. Mental make up is the most important "upside" measurement. Jazz want competitors with talent. Trey Lyles is oozing with talent, but has the mental tenacity of a 15 year old. You can have a player that checks off all of the analytics but will never set or fight through a back screen. We need hard mother ******* that want to win and won't complain about 3 hour practices. Trey Lyles is more talented with more upside than Crowder, but Crowder shows up to play and will bleed if that is required of him, which makes him the far better Jazzman. The jazz selecting Allen may be less of an endorsement of him than an indictment on the rest of the talented players that were mocked around him. Allen could very well have been the baseline and none of the other players showed they could be more in the workouts and scouting.

2. There comes a point where you can't be developing players for 5 years, especially as a small market team. There may be some gems in the rough at the spot where the Jazz drafted Allen, but teams are likely to put in an entire rookie contract and probably an extension before they find it out. And for every gem found eight more teams are going to extend a dud. There is a 10% chance that one of these dudes with upside that were drafted after Allen will become an all-star and a secondary scoring option. But at 21 you are looking for a solid contributor off the bench. If you get that you won. Chances are, the Jazz got that.

It wasn't a "deep draft." This was nowhere near last year's draft where a Mitchell was available at 13. Sometimes "there are picks at 21 which could have been in the lottery" means that your late lottery sucks.
 
Personally I love that he will antagonize people.

We gonna act like Stockton wasn’t dirty? And he’s the most beloved Jazz man ever.
 
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I cant watch this with sound..... can anyone tell me what donovan said please?

Starts off with typical congratulations. Then he tries to back out of the interview. Reporter insists and he says that Grayson is an “elite scorer, good defender, unselfish. We got a good one”.
 
I think it was a good pick @21

He got a little rudy in him, wants to win. Seems like a good fit. I said we needed a near 40% 3pt shooter on high volume and he checks off.

I'm just curious who the other player they were weighing him against was, I have a feeling it was Devonte Graham!
 
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Eh, I think that two lessons that the Jazz have learned about drafting are:

1. Mental make up is the most important "upside" measurement. Jazz want competitors with talent. Trey Lyles is oozing with talent, but has the mental tenacity of a 15 year old. You can have a player that checks off all of the analytics but will never set or fight through a back screen. We need hard mother ******* that want to win and won't complain about 3 hour practices. Trey Lyles is more talented with more upside than Crowder, but Crowder shows up to play and will bleed if that is required of him, which makes him the far better Jazzman. The jazz selecting Allen may be less of an endorsement of him than an indictment on the rest of the talented players that were mocked around him. Allen could very well have been the baseline and none of the other players showed they could be more in the workouts and scouting.

2. There comes a point where you can't be developing players for 5 years, especially as a small market team. There may be some gems in the rough at the spot where the Jazz drafted Allen, but teams are likely to put in an entire rookie contract and probably an extension before they find it out. And for every gem found eight more teams are going to extend a dud. There is a 10% chance that one of these dudes with upside that were drafted after Allen will become an all-star and a secondary scoring option. But at 21 you are looking for a solid contributor off the bench. If you get that you won. Chances are, the Jazz got that.

It wasn't a "deep draft." This was nowhere near last year's draft where a Mitchell was available at 13. Sometimes "there are picks at 21 which could have been in the lottery" means that your late lottery sucks.
Great post.

It's a new day, the sun is shining, and I'm over my Allen angst. Here's to a bright future for our newest Jazz member.

In DL we trust!
 
Yeah about that - since when have we allowed the inmates to run the asylum?!?!
A. Having input does not equal running. (in actual prisons im certain that the prisoners are able to give input/suggestions and that sometimes they have good ideas that get used)
B. Keeping your best players happy and letting them feel like they have a small part of decision making is a good thing. You want you best players to be happy and for them to want to stick around.
 
I usually give DL the benefit of the doubt, but this is just a terrible pick. No, I don't care about his tripping people, I'm actually OK with that, if he's on my team of course. But he's just not a good player. There is a reason he had to play 4 seasons at Duke.
 
Exactly. You can't play them together against many teams.

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except they both can play the point and they both can play the 2 and the nba is going smaller all the time and the nba is going to positionless basketball where you want lots of guys that can handle and shoot and switch. But ya, other than that.......
 
Eh, I think that two lessons that the Jazz have learned about drafting are:

1. Mental make up is the most important "upside" measurement. Jazz want competitors with talent. Trey Lyles is oozing with talent, but has the mental tenacity of a 15 year old. You can have a player that checks off all of the analytics but will never set or fight through a back screen. We need hard mother ******* that want to win and won't complain about 3 hour practices. Trey Lyles is more talented with more upside than Crowder, but Crowder shows up to play and will bleed if that is required of him, which makes him the far better Jazzman. The jazz selecting Allen may be less of an endorsement of him than an indictment on the rest of the talented players that were mocked around him. Allen could very well have been the baseline and none of the other players showed they could be more in the workouts and scouting.

2. There comes a point where you can't be developing players for 5 years, especially as a small market team. There may be some gems in the rough at the spot where the Jazz drafted Allen, but teams are likely to put in an entire rookie contract and probably an extension before they find it out. And for every gem found eight more teams are going to extend a dud. There is a 10% chance that one of these dudes with upside that were drafted after Allen will become an all-star and a secondary scoring option. But at 21 you are looking for a solid contributor off the bench. If you get that you won. Chances are, the Jazz got that.

It wasn't a "deep draft." This was nowhere near last year's draft where a Mitchell was available at 13. Sometimes "there are picks at 21 which could have been in the lottery" means that your late lottery sucks.

I like guys that want to compete and guys that work hard... that can make up for a lot of things. I think Grayson will get everything out of his basketball ability. Something to be said for that... I'm slowly coming around on the pick, but I think Okobo could be a star. Grayson combined with not moving up for another pick in the 30s (with good players available), and then selling another pick set me off a bit.

And it wasn't a one year frustration... we seem to do this year over year. The year we had the 35th pick and basically sold it because there weren't guys we liked (or didn't want to bring in too many rookies). there were 7-8 NBA players picked after we drafted... Jokic was one of them. I just really want us to squeeze everything out of the draft possible because we aren't a destination FA city... it is our primary building tool.

I wonder if KBD had a medical flag... can't believe how far he fell. I would have liked Melton too, but we kind of have a glut of guard/wings so I get it... just thought there was money left on the table and that we have a habit of doing it that way.
 
That's the thing. Size will effect the lineups they can and can't use. Allen is slow laterally which hurts too.

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Allen aint slow according to his combine numbers. In fact, he is one of the fastest players of all time when it comes to combine testing. Maybe his whiteness makes him look slow to you though. I get that.
 
Greyson can't guard most 1's or several 2's. His offense isn't the problem. Defense is my worry.

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What are you talking about. Another poster posted his advanced defensive numbers and they were good. His whiteness doe.
 
Why not talk about his strengths though? (you and many others have already went over his weaknesses a ton)

Good Gawd that's positive Fish's music...

I'm glad when Fish comes through with the positivity... the sun came up today... Grayson is a Jazz man so I will be rooting for him and his tremendous hand pads.
 
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