I think the Matthews scenario changed the way the NBA does business with undrafted players. They had never really experienced anything like it. It would have taken incredible foresight to sign him to a Millsap type deal.
Jazz sign Elijah Millsap aka BabySap to a three year deal.
- Thread starter Primetime
- Start date
Hotdog
Well-Known Member
If you are going to sign a guy desperate to make the team, what can it hurt to ask for 2 years of team options? No matter if you even seen him play one minute?
Admittedly I'm not in the know with all the contract rules and whether not the NBA allows it. But if they do allow it then you should be doing it with every player you sign on a 1 year deal.
If your concern is you don't want to offend the player, then offer more in the first year to intice them. Instead of the minimum, double it. If the player turns out to be pretty good then you just got a steal on a player for the next three years. With no risk involved. You can bail by not picking up the option.
If it's possible to do then they should have done it with Mathews.
Admittedly I'm not in the know with all the contract rules and whether not the NBA allows it. But if they do allow it then you should be doing it with every player you sign on a 1 year deal.
If your concern is you don't want to offend the player, then offer more in the first year to intice them. Instead of the minimum, double it. If the player turns out to be pretty good then you just got a steal on a player for the next three years. With no risk involved. You can bail by not picking up the option.
If it's possible to do then they should have done it with Mathews.
The Jazz Wonderbra
Well-Known Member
Matthews was an undrafted player who barely made the team. He made the team due to a CJ Miles injury if you recall. The original contract COULD have been the same thing that Millsap just got. He would have been ecstatic to make the team and have a guaranteed spot in the league for 3 years. Teams pay more on the first season to get a 'team option' clause. The team only has so many spots and the players signing these contracts need years to establish themselves as players in the league.
Matthews was an exception. He received the single largest contract in the HISTORY of the league offered to a second year player!!!
Hindsight demonstrates that a 10 - 25% raise on the first season would have probably been what it would have taken to keep Matthews giving us the 'team option' on the second/third years. We didn't have the insight then, correct. But we DO now! That's why it's GREAT to see us test out a dozen D-League players, find the one that fits best, and lock the contract down for 3 years. Great Job! Win win. Millsap is happy (as Matthews would have been at the time) and we are happy to invest in him.
Keep Supporting those jiggly jazz bags!
- Jazz Wonderbra out
Matthews was an exception. He received the single largest contract in the HISTORY of the league offered to a second year player!!!
Hindsight demonstrates that a 10 - 25% raise on the first season would have probably been what it would have taken to keep Matthews giving us the 'team option' on the second/third years. We didn't have the insight then, correct. But we DO now! That's why it's GREAT to see us test out a dozen D-League players, find the one that fits best, and lock the contract down for 3 years. Great Job! Win win. Millsap is happy (as Matthews would have been at the time) and we are happy to invest in him.
Keep Supporting those jiggly jazz bags!
- Jazz Wonderbra out
gregbroncs
Well-Known Member
Nobody is talking about Wes' second contract. His original contract should have been structured this way then Portland could not have made that offer and we would have had 2 more years to see what he was actually worth after that.
.
It wasn't done because of the past history in the NBA. Hindsight is 20/20 and this is why the Jazz are doing this with Millsap. Millsap has actually shown more than Mathews did before he signed the original contract with the Jazz.
You realize the player has to agree to the signing, right?
Witty Username
Well-Known Member
Yeah, weeks after we realized he could guard the wing and shoot the three, not in the off-season.
Are we seriously still bitching about milk getting spilled 4.5 years ago and not even knowing the details to comment?
And FWIW, not all players are so eager to have what they can possibly earn capped to the floor of what an NBA player can earn for three years. If you want to point fingers, point at Larry and Gail for fumbling horribly on AK and Memo.
stormkoopacv03
Well-Known Member
Makes you wonder if the Jazz will use Lil Sap to lure Paul back to Utah. lol
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
He'd be a good fit, but I doubt Paul wants to leave one of the best teams in the NBA - and the EC, where he has a chance to be an all-star every season. I'm sure DL will kick the tires and see if he wants to return, but I wouldn't bet on it. We'd also be faced with a scenario of sending Favors to the bench or hoping Rudy will be ok with playing 30 mins, but still being a sub.
fishonjazz
Well-Known Member
Contributor
2018 Award Winner
2019 Award Winner
2020-21 Award Winner
2022 Award Winner
2023 Award Winner
2024 Award Winner
Probably would have to max paul as well
fallenchicken
Well-Known Member
Really? Mathews is ranked pretty high on Chad Ford's draft board.
homeytennis
Well-Known Member
What does this say about Elliot Williams getting to stay? I say it means he's a goner.