Joe Ingles: Article on Son's Autism Diagnosis

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There is no credible evidence about your stupid anti-science conspiracy, and plenty of evidence against it. Please stop spreading this horrible ignorance, because the victims are defenseless children, and the offenders are uneducated parents who are themselves vaccinated.

You should be ashamed of yourself. This is no joking matter.

Also, Alfalfa, are you a scientist? Why do you attack me with information from Reddit campaign. Do you know the motives of the people behind it, what their professional background is? You say you have plenty of evidence for your position. Then why don't you supply it with some links? Why are all these vaccines necessary today? Sure there are some that are tried and true, but what of all the new ones that have been introduced. That is what is the concern of the anti-vaxx people. And that is the concern with Big Pharma in general, the over prescription, the overuse of these powerful drugs and their synergy effects. But they don't care, they want you to take statins, for instance, even children, when the cutting-edge studies are showing that cholesterol is not the concern it once was thought to be. Brave New World is here. They decry pot, which actually is quite beneficial, but want you to take these high-priced drugs that in many cases are dangerous and can kill you.

 

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There are hundreds of pee-reviewed papers examining the link between vaccines and whatever diseases they're supposed to magically cause.

I make it a point not to argue with anti-vaxxers, anti-evolutionists, flat earthers, climate change deniers, or any such rabble. Because I think if you're there, then you either have serious inability to meaningfully weigh information, or you just don't give two ****s about the facts.

But I'll make an exception. The reason children are given more vaccines is because as science has advanced, it has become possible to immunize against more and more diseases while using fewer and fewer antigens. For example, the full vaccine schedule in the 2010s exposes the body to fewer than 200 antigens. The WC-Pertussis vaccine from the 80s had 3000 antigens on its own. So current vaccines are safer, better targeted, milder, and more effective, which enables doctors to introduce more vaccines at a younger age. In fact, an infant's body is exposed to far more pathogens from the environment on daily basis than they would from all the vaccines combined.

The reality of the situation is easy to research and study if you were making an honest effort to understand the situation. Instead of listening to the concerns someone on Youtube has, and that happen to fit with how you want things to be.

So, that is the medical profession's view, then. Apparently, you are in that field. Well, is it possible then that the increase in vaccines is leading to more neurological conditions in children. Do you have an answer for that?

And I am not anti-evolution or a climate-change denier, and far from a Trump supporter. I am a skeptic. I distrust Big Pharma, because I know they lie and have an agenda. And there is some disturbing information out there about vaccines. You believe it's lies concocted by people looking for a reason to explain tragedies that have occurred to loved ones. Perhaps. But I think there is room for reasonable doubt. Science often thinks they have the answers, only to discover they were wrong, just as with nuclear power. We thought it would be answer to all our problems but didn't realize at the time, the hazards that go with it. This is not to decry science. I am not anti-science whatsoever. But I look at motives when discerning the truth. It has nothing to do with how I want things to be. I certainly would hope that vaccines are beneficial. Always accepted that they were. But people have raised issues and I am being cautious because in the past, legitimate alarms have been raised about different issues and people out of hand dismissed them and were later found to be wrong.

 

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So, that is the medical profession's view, then. Apparently, you are in that field. Well, is it possible then that the increase in vaccines is leading to more neurological conditions in children. Do you have an answer for that?

Everything is possible. Maybe improved diagnoses have nothing to do with it, and it's all about how the planets are aligned. But unless I see evidence showing showing a correlation between planetary positions and autism, as well an explanation of the mechanism behind it, I'll just ignore it. Regardless of how many videos someone on Youtube makes about their astrological concerns.

As for the evidence, there's just so much of it. So much! I'm not sure what you want me to link? Studies that show no link between vaccines and autism?

https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(13)00144-3/pdf?ext=.pdf

There. A recent big study with a sample size in the 1000s. But there are literally hundred of these studies. This isn't a difficult thing to verify.

 

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There are hundreds of pee-reviewed papers examining the link between vaccines and whatever diseases they're supposed to magically cause.

I make it a point not to argue with anti-vaxxers, anti-evolutionists, flat earthers, climate change deniers, or any such rabble. Because I think if you're there, then you either have serious inability to meaningfully weigh information, or you just don't give two ****s about the facts.

But I'll make an exception. The reason children are given more vaccines is because as science has advanced, it has become possible to immunize against more and more diseases while using fewer and fewer antigens. For example, the full vaccine schedule in the 2010s exposes the body to fewer than 200 antigens. The WC-Pertussis vaccine from the 80s had 3000 antigens on its own. So current vaccines are safer, better targeted, milder, and more effective, which enables doctors to introduce more vaccines at a younger age. In fact, an infant's body is exposed to far more pathogens from the environment on daily basis than they would from all the vaccines combined.

The reality of the situation is easy to research and study if you were making an honest effort to understand the situation. Instead of listening to the concerns someone on Youtube has, and that happen to fit with how you want things to be.

Everything is possible. Maybe improved diagnoses have nothing to do with it, and it's all about how the planets are aligned. But unless I see evidence showing showing a correlation between planetary positions and autism, as well an explanation of the mechanism behind it, I'll just ignore it. Regardless of how many videos someone on Youtube makes about their astrological concerns.

As for the evidence, there's just so much of it. So much! I'm not sure what you want me to link? Studies that show no link between vaccines and autism?

https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(13)00144-3/pdf?ext=.pdf

There. A recent big study with a sample size in the 1000s. But there are literally hundred of these studies. This isn't a difficult thing to verify.

This study is not something I can easily digest but at a cursory view can only understand the results ... but it seems to me that the focus is antigens. Is it possible that there is some other variable in vaccines not being considered that may be causing the rise in neurological conditions? In relation to this, neurological conditions among adults have been increasing -- Parkinson's, Alzheimers, ALS, etc. This more than likely has nothing to do with vaccines. But it is happening.

 

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Not true at all ... do you know the history of Burzynski, for example.

Yes.

And do you know about his greatest attacker, Gorski, a blatant shill for Big Pharma, who pushes his own chemo treatment for blatant profit?

Gorski has a personal chemotherapy treatment he can push? Details please. What the name of the drug and when was the patent? How does he manufacture it? How much profit does he make per dose?

And that vaxx debunking article is by a Big Pharma mercenary like Gorski and Stephen Barrett, the biggest Big Pharma shill out there with his Quackwatch.com who has been sued countless times for outright lies.

Has Barrett been successfully sued, or were they just nuisance suits? Quacks make a lot of money to hire lawyers with.

Yes, they pay these people to lie like the guy out at Stanford, Henry I. Miller, who spread lies about GMOs and was fired by Forbes for putting his name on articles written by people from Monsanto.

I agree with firing him for plagerism. What were the lies?

Big Pharma is evil and dishonest and I don't trust them. And Monsanto is part of Big Pharma -- they were recently acquired by Bayer.

However, before that acquisition, there were not a part of the pharmaceutical industry at all (not that they were any more trustworthy).

So, you don't trust the large companies who profit off selling drugs that go through rigorous testing to show there are benefits, instead you trust off-the-wall quacks who profit off selling concoctions to desperate people when said concoction have no demonstrable medical benefit. Hmmmmm.

 

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Yes.



Gorski has a personal chemotherapy treatment he can push? Details please. What the name of the drug and when was the patent? How does he manufacture it? How much profit does he make per dose?



Has Barrett been successfully sued, or were they just nuisance suits? Quacks make a lot of money to hire lawyers with.



I agree with firing him for plagerism. What were the lies?



However, before that acquisition, there were not a part of the pharmaceutical industry at all (not that they were any more trustworthy).

So, you don't trust the large companies who profit off selling drugs that go through rigorous testing to show there are benefits, instead you trust off-the-wall quacks who profit off selling concoctions to desperate people when said concoction have no demonstrable medical benefit. Hmmmmm.

The alleged quacks are not making anywhere near the money that Big Pharma is. I don't have the info about chemo drug off the top. I would have to look for it. No, Miller was fronting articles for Monsanto and attaching his name to them. There were a lot of suits filed against Barrett -- he has Big Pharma lawyers defending him. Big Pharma has the clout, the money, do you realize they are richest industry in the world -- BAR NONE.

 

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ONE BROW: "Orac is a cancer specialist, not a pharmaceutical company."

Orac is the pseudonym of the shill, Gorski, the Michigan oncologist.

That's what I said.

He's not honest; he just pushes his own chemo drug in which he has a lot invested and attacks all naturopaths.

I ask for the same details as the previous post.

He has been especially critical of Burczynski.

More do than Suzanne Somers or Jenny McCarthy? I don't think so. He hits lot of people.

I actually corresponded with him when I was doing the podcasts. You should check out the story of Burczynski. The National Cancer Institute specialist who researched his treatment is on record saying that it works for types of brain cancer,

Which NCI specialist? Name, please. Why doesn't Burczynski publish his results, if this is true?

yet the FDA would not approve it and they closed down his treatment centers. Not sure of the current status.

He currently in Mexico, IIRC.

 

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Why are all these vaccines necessary today?

Because the diseases still exist and can spread. When a disease stops being a threat, people stop being vaccinated for it. I was vaccinated against smallpox when I was a kid, but my kids weren't, because we don't vaccinate for smallpox anymore.

 

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Is it possible that there is some other variable in vaccines not being considered that may be causing the rise in neurological conditions?

If we ruled out 50 potential causes, you would ask about numbers 51-55.

 

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The alleged quacks are not making anywhere near the money that Big Pharma is.

Good. The drugs Big Pharma uses have actual effects.

I don't have the info about chemo drug off the top. I would have to look for it.

I'll wait.

No, Miller was fronting articles for Monsanto and attaching his name to them.

Yes, and presenting someone else's writing as your own is plagiarism.

There were a lot of suits filed against Barrett -- he has Big Pharma lawyers defending him.

I thank you for acknowledging the suits were not successful. Which Big Pharma lawyers in particular?

 

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If we ruled out 50 potential causes, you would ask about numbers 51-55.

Maybe it's not vaccines. But something is causing it. And as I agree, correlation is not causality. I think much of the reason I am a skeptic is because of lack of trust. There is so much dishonesty in the world, even on this site with all the people being deceptive with their Alts. And when you add the motive of profit, it causes even more dishonesty.

 

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Good. The drugs Big Pharma uses have actual effects.



I'll wait.



Yes, and presenting someone else's writing as your own is plagiarism.



I thank you for acknowledging the suits were not successful. Which Big Pharma lawyers in particular?

Not sure about the results of the suits. I believe some were successful but have to look it up.

Here's one: https://chiro.org/LINKS/FULL/Quackwatch_Founder_Loses_Defamation_Case.shtml