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John Collins Hype & Appreciation Thread

KqWIN said:
When Collins was at his peak in ATL, he was a ~23 USG guy who was super efficient and one of the best, if not the best PnR roll man in the league.

This season, he's a MUCH higher usage guy (albeit less efficient of course). 28% USG and 58 TS% which is not bad at all. Only 9% of his possessions are as PnR roll man as opposed to 28% at his peak. He's doing things in different ways an excelling. The versatility with his playmaking and high post play is allowing him to play with other bigs which is a huge bonus. He was a decent PF defender in ATL and has also upped his intensity to be more effective on that end.

I don't know if there's a trade partner for John Collins, but I would not mind making him a long term piece.
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I was about to give this post a like until the last sentence. I don't see Collins as a long term piece.
 
As good as Collins is playing Jazz need to hold out for a very good offer
He could definitely help a contender
 
slc said:
As good as Collins is playing Jazz need to hold out for a very good offer
He could definitely help a contender
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He's still a backup getting starter money. Unless he goes back in to the starting lineup and still plays great, I don't think we can expect anything more than an expiring and seconds for him.
 
Out of all players on the Jazz Collins gets his points and rebounds the hardest way. He reminds me of the young Paul Millsap.
 
Collins continues to impress off the bench.

Collins on a 6th/7th man contract makes great sense for a lot of teams. Collins as a starter contract is not a long term option unless he continues to grow.
 
Collins has been great this year. He’s expanded his offensive game and become much more versatile. Defensively he’s still not great a a C but has upped his activity to make himself more passable, especially in a 3rd big type of role like he’s in now. In the process he’s increased his stock as both a 4 and 5. I think he is more likely to be a part of the long term future than Sexton. His contract makes him difficult to trade, but I can see him signing to a more reasonable contract once his deal is over or having some appeal as an expiring contract who can also play.
 
KqWIN said:
Collins has been great this year. He’s expanded his offensive game and become much more versatile. Defensively he’s still not great a a C but has upped his activity to make himself more passable, especially in a 3rd big type of role like he’s in now. In the process he’s increased his stock as both a 4 and 5. I think he is more likely to be a part of the long term future than Sexton. His contract makes him difficult to trade, but I can see him signing to a more reasonable contract once his deal is over or having some appeal as an expiring contract who can also play.
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I do also like him long term, but I'm afraid he may build some positive value and Ainge cannot resist turning him into future assets.
 
HermanG said:
I do also like him long term, but I'm afraid he may build some positive value and Ainge cannot resist turning him into future assets.
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If we can trade him for future assets, that’s also great. I’m not opposed to getting value for him. The idea of getting value for him or keeping him long term seemed totally out of the picture after the first half of last season. He’s come such a long way.
 
Hawks overpaid for him but Collins has always been a consistent player overall. I was happy when we traded for him and said nice things about him. As I said when we traded for him... when a playoff-caliber team's PF goes down Collins is going to look mighty good. After next season ends I wouldn't even mind resigning him on a realistic contract as he's getting minutes and is playing well for us.
 
So many teams could use Collins. Improved offensive versatility and defensive activity has made him a guy pretty much any team can use. The contract does make it very difficult though. CHO is another team who I think would love him.
 
If he’s simultaneously not winning us games and is playing at or beyond the value of his contract, a team is going to have to send picks for him.
 
John Collins officially became the leader of the Jazz. He is the first in points, second in rebounds, first in steals, and first in fire and scrappiness. He is the guy who can go and push around Edey.
And oh, he is also incredibly efficient.

But half of his ascent is not simply because he plays so well but because the purported leaders of the team - Lauri, Keyonte, Sexton, Clarkson - completely pooped the bed. John Collins has more leadership and toughness than all of them combined.
 
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