Las Vegas: Worst Mass Shooting in US History

[Rubashov]

well Las Vegas is full of artificiality so perhaps it's normal to think the shooting was just part of the whole artificial environment

and once Trump aces that IQ test he's gonna take, we'll all be on board to declare him the greatest president ever and let him do whatever he wants

I've heard about this! I believe it involves grabbing women in their private areas. Maybe if i become a much worse person(hard to believe its possible) i may one day be elected to high office.

 

[LogGrad98]

If American Airlines Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, then you have to explain what happened to the plane and the 64 passengers on board. This is the trouble with many conspiracy theiries. It's the irrational elements one is forced to admit in order for the theories to stand. Where did the plane go? Are the passengers still alive somewhere, being held captive? These loose ends appear in many conspiracy theories. Take the moon landing. You have to count on everybody keeping their mouths shut that it was really shot in a studio. Many of these conspiracy theories are cumbersome in that aspect. They depend on many people taking secrets to their graves. The more people that exist that could possibly spill the beans regarding the "truth", in this case that it was not a plane, the less likely such a conspiracy can be maintained....

I can't explain what happened to the airplane just like I can't explain everything from this article that should not be discredited.
https://consciouslifenews.com/911-p...gon-major-general-albert-stubblebine/1145271/

Well you also have to explain the airplane wreckage plainly visible near the Pentagon from multiple sources after the crash. You also have to explain hundreds of eye witnesses. You also have to explain the giant skid mark on the ground just before the impact on the building, etc etc. I mean GF hit it on the head when he pointed out that these kinds of things would require literally THOUSANDS, if not more, who are complicit and keep their mouths shut forever, which would be deliciously ironic since most conspiracy theorists base a lot of their theories on small leaks of information because people simply cannot keep their mouths shut.

 

[Ron Mexico]

omg the arbitrator of truth snopes has spoken!


/thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Along with lots of peer reviews scientific journals.


Still waiting for that info about Snopes from you though. Unless you have nothing as usual.

 

[LogGrad98]

I can't explain what happened to the airplane just like I can't explain everything from this article that should not be discredited.
https://consciouslifenews.com/911-p...gon-major-general-albert-stubblebine/1145271/

Ok so I checked this out. It loses me before this, but really here is where it ends for me:

8:30 “Well there was something wrong. And, so I analyzed it not just photographically, I did measurements… I checked the plane, the length of the nose, where the wings were… I took measurements of the Pentagon – the depth of the destruction in the Pentagon.”

9:05 “Conclusion: airplane did not make that hole.”

So did he go to the site? Did he dig through the rubble to ascertain the depth of the penetration on the building? Was he there during demolition and construction to gain an understanding of the depth of the impact? Is he fully versed on all of the safety and security features of the Pentagon and the building construction, considering some of it was added as recently as just a few years before the attack? Does he understand the engineering aspect of the construction of the building thoroughly enough that he can accurately gauge the impact any aircraft, let alone of this specific airplane at exactly this speed and angle of impact? Did he walk the grounds to identify all the smaller things, such as wing-tip marks in the grass or the length and depth of the first impact, which was in front of the building, or the exact nature, position, and condition of all debris at the impact site?

Or did he just take the picture provided him through media outlets and make his best guesses like everyone else did?

 

[babe]

Tell me you believe an airplane hit the Pentagon. 9/11 doesn't add up at all.

People aren't just eager to wrap their heads in tin-foil and believe every conspiracy (I mean, some do, but not all.) There are a lot of conspiracy theories because there are many reasons to be skeptical and doubt the information given - JFK, the moon landing, 9/11, etc.

I like people with the guts to say stuff that is hard to believe, or unpopular to believe. If we ever lose this element in our society, we're just "cooked", as in "done". The human spirit will have been quashed by the experts and "debunkers" who systematically reinforce conformity/conventionality/propaganda.

One the of the first things that came to my mind when I heard of the Vegas massacre was who would select a country music event to shoot it up. I was willing to bet it was someone like the occasional leftist hell-bent on mayhem for cause of making the world a better place, like the Unabomber Ted Kaczynski or the congressional baseball practice shooter.

It is the nature of our police and security personnel not to talk loose. I'm sure there is a lot they know we haven't heard about yet. And it is the nature of everyone with a cell phone to run video of something like this. Pretty hard for the officials to make up a story and suppress everything that would counter it. So of course, they will say less, much less. Well, nothing, really.

I've considered the possibility that he was a psychopath but rejected that because well, a long stable life of not bothering anyone....

I've considered the possibility that he was a self-professed "genius" trying to do the perfect crime, the greatest mass shooting, but rejected that because, well, he did it from his own room, though it looked like he thought he might walk out and drive his car away to do something else.

I've considered if he could possibly be a terrorist recruit, and rejected that as well. Because he's too old for that sort of ideological "cause", for turning a "new leaf". Yah, there are oldsters lost in their grand ideologies, like Red, say.... but they almost always have been on their gig for decades.

he was a success at everything, even gambling.

I'd say he just got bored.

 

[Archie Moses]

Ok so I checked this out. It loses me before this, but really here is where it ends for me:



So did he go to the site? Did he dig through the rubble to ascertain the depth of the penetration on the building? Was he there during demolition and construction to gain an understanding of the depth of the impact? Is he fully versed on all of the safety and security features of the Pentagon and the building construction, considering some of it was added as recently as just a few years before the attack? Does he understand the engineering aspect of the construction of the building thoroughly enough that he can accurately gauge the impact any aircraft, let alone of this specific airplane at exactly this speed and angle of impact? Did he walk the grounds to identify all the smaller things, such as wing-tip marks in the grass or the length and depth of the first impact, which was in front of the building, or the exact nature, position, and condition of all debris at the impact site?

Or did he just take the picture provided him through media outlets and make his best guesses like everyone else did?

If you read the whole article, you'll read about multiple people who were there and eye-witnesses and very credible sources who say no plane hit the Pentagon. Again, I know there are a lot of credible things that do point to it being a plane, but why are people so quick to accept that and dismiss tons and tons of eye-witnesses, experts, and evidence that say it was a missile?
Do you really believe the plane disintegrated and only small parts being found isn't weird? Science, dude. 747 engines are made of titanium and it's practically impossible for it to disintegrate to totality. How do you account for this? Is that not weird to you?
Why did the Pentagon have their self defense sensors and cameras ordered to be off that day by the VP? So many questions.

 

[LogGrad98]

If you read the whole article, you'll read about multiple people who were there and eye-witnesses and very credible sources who say no plane hit the Pentagon. Again, I know there are a lot of credible things that do point to it being a plane, but why are people so quick to accept that and dismiss tons and tons of eye-witnesses, experts, and evidence that say it was a missile?
Do you really believe the plane disintegrated and only small parts being found isn't weird? Science, dude. 747 engines are made of titanium and it's practically impossible for it to disintegrate to totality. How do you account for this? Is that not weird to you?
Why did the Pentagon have their self defense sensors and cameras ordered to be off that day by the VP? So many questions.

I skimmed a bunch of it. The problem is there are also credible eye witnesses that saw the opposite, or actual thing that happened. Also, if you do any research on eye-witnesses you would find out their are notoriously unreliable, especially if questioned much after the fact since our memories are malleable and we sub-consciously change them to fit our personal narrative, or what our friends thing, or what the media portrays, or even to fit what the interviewer is asking.

There is also plenty of photographic evidence of airplane debris at the crash site. Google it and go to images. The deconstruction and reconstruction showed the depth of the damage. And then the question is, what actually happened to that airplane, as BP/GF pointed out? It took off, it was hijacked, it had hundreds of people on board, where did it go? And in the end, why is anyone who is involved in the cover-up still keeping it a secret? Why haven't literally hundreds of people come forward yet?

I am as skeptical as the next guy, but I am far more skeptical of the conspiracy nut crowd. Everyone who makes their judgments after the fact with limited knowledge and then digs for evidence that supports their view while scoffing at or ignoring anything that doesn't.

Take the WTC collapse just for one. All of the conspiracy nuts say it was controlled explosions that took it down. But I remember a high-rise construction engineer talking about the engineering of these buildings and that they were designed to fall that way to minimize damage to surrounding structures if the building were to have something catastrophic happen...like an airplane impact! Which is something that all tall buildings must incorporate as that is always a threat, and was actually part of the building code. So the pancaking once the fall starts was designed, not done on purpose. He also explained that the junction points withing the WTC's steel inner structure were due for renovation because the fire retardant that is sprayed on the inner structure was aging and in danger of being blown off which would expose the steel to fire, that could weaken it enough to allow it to start to collapse, which is exactly what the experts' opinions were, that the impact from the plane blew the fire retardant off the steel structure on several floors above and below exposing the steel to the direct heat from the jet fuel, which easily burns hot enough in that quantity to weaken the structure, and even to melt the metal at the point of impact, which impact generated heat and forces of its own.

But the conspiracy theorists say, in essence "nuh-uh!! He is in on it!!"

Invoking Occam's Razor what is more likely?

So, really in the end, it is all crap.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I've heard about this! I believe it involves grabbing women in their private areas. Maybe if i become a much worse person(hard to believe its possible) i may one day be elected to high office.

whats wrong with grabbing women by the *****, they give consent. unlike the rapist on the left. like clinton, weinstein and anthony wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeener!



why are you not in arms about those rapist

 

[DutchJazzer]

Along with lots of peer reviews scientific journals.


Still waiting for that info about Snopes from you though. Unless you have nothing as usual.

naah if logic does not enter your brain, their is no hope. one day you will relaise the truth about snoppes. or maybe not! depends on your intelligence

 

[LogGrad98]

whats wrong with grbabing women by the *****, thye give consent. unlike the rapist on the left. like clinton, weinstein and anthony wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeener!



whjy ar eyu not in arms about those rapist

I find the entire concept objectionable.

 

[franklin]

And you're on my ignore list.

Took you long enough Archie. Cappy is trying to play the Tiny Weenie and Thee Crap Fan troll of constant *******. He hasn't said anything worth reading for a couple years.

 

[Archie Moses]

Took you long enough Archie. Cappy is trying to play the Tiny Weenie and Thee Crap Fan troll of constant *******. He hasn't said anything worth reading for a couple years.

Yeah, that guy apparently had a major problem with me. I don't care if you dislike or don't agree with my posts, but why be a condescending ******* about it who neg me **** about my mom's *****?