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Legal marijuana - good or bad? Any personal experience?

Eenie-Meenie said:
That's b.s. They can't patent an herb. It's competition for their artificial drugs.
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It's not an herb. It's a plant that contains relatively powerful chemicals that can be extracted and potentially refined.
 
fishonjazz said:
I see title of OP as legal marijuana. Not only legal medically.
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If you want to do officious, I can do officious. You responded to a sub-thread involving the pharmaceutical companies and marijuana being legal as a medicinal drug. It's not my problem is you can't keep straight which posts you are responding to.

fishonjazz said:
And iirc the states that are currently only legal medicinally allow those using it medicinally to grow their own.
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Some states do, some don't. It's about 50-50.
https://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000881

fishonjazz said:
As far as your second question goes... certainly, it would be a fun hobby. Some people like gardening and growing their own fruits and veggies. They thinks its fun. Plus when you grow your own you sometimes trust it more. If someone else is growing it then they could add things to it you don't want or grow it in a way you don't want.
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If growing your own is legal, then I agree it could be a fun hobby.
 
One Brow said:
If it is approved for medical use only, do you really think private cultivation will be legalized? Would you really rather grow it yourself than buy it legally and inexpensively? It seems a large risk for little gain.
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Ok one brow, i will answer your post like this to make it more simple.
Question #1: If it is approved for medical use only, do you really think private cultivation will be legalized? Answer: Yes.
Question #2: Would you really rather grow it yourself than buy it legally and inexpensively? Answer: Yes.
For your last statement, "It seems a large risk for little gain", if its legal to grow your own then there is zero risk and the gain is that I save money growing my own. (I know a few people who grow their own right now and save tons of money because of it. And buying weed illegally is cheaper than buying it legally right now.... yet growing your own is much much cheaper than either option)
 
fishonjazz said:
Ok one brow, i will answer your post like this to make it more simple.
Question #1: If it is approved for medical use only, do you really think private cultivation will be legalized? Answer: Yes.
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You are half right. In about half the states where marijuana is legal, you can grow your own with a limited number of plants. In the other half, it is not legal.

fishonjazz said:
Question #2: Would you really rather grow it yourself than buy it legally and inexpensively? Answer: Yes.
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Even in the states where owning cannabis is is legal but growing it is not?
 
One Brow said:
You are half right. In about half the states where marijuana is legal, you can grow your own with a limited number of plants. In the other half, it is not legal.


Even in the states where owning cannabis is is legal but growing it is not?
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You asked what I think will happen. I think growing it will be legal.
Therefore, based off what I think, there would be no risk and growing it would be a fun hobby that saves me money.
 
fishonjazz said:
You asked what I think will happen. I think growing it will be legal.
Therefore, based off what I think, there would be no risk and growing it would be a fun hobby that saves me money.
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However, the reality so far is that growing your own is not legal in half the states where cannabis has been legalized. You can choose to ignore that, of course.
 
One Brow said:
However, the reality so far is that growing your own is not legal in half the states where cannabis has been legalized. You can choose to ignore that, of course.
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Eh, if I can smoke legally, and carry legally then I’m a grow illegally. So be it. I would only really be smoking at home anyway. The risk of being caught would be quite low. Plus I’m pretty sure that the penalties for anything weed related are going to go down no matter what happens at the political level. People are going to realize eventually that it’s not a big deal... the tide has already turned so much and the opposition is only opposing out of some kind of nostalgic/fearful non understanding position. They will fade away and be overcome and eventually gain understanding.

I’m simply not worried about this non issue. It’s the past but some people just don’t know it yet. Legalization is steam rolling ahead and the right thing will happen soon enough.
 
OK. Lots of issues downstream from the OP.

What government level of authority are we talking about. FDA like many other federal activities is actually not Constitutional, per the tenth amendment and the intention of the founders to create a federal government that could be managed by the people more directly. So it's the States.

Oh well, nobody wants fifty sets of state legislators/lobbyists being owned by cartelist interests.

But still, the idea that we let even states impose values not essential to society is not so good. And the idea of having millions of petty "criminals" under lucrative jail contracts making corporate jailers rich.... well, it's the potheads who don't require a lot of staff and who don't create much trouble in the concrete bunkhouses, so that's who they want to have in there, I'd guess.

It's just an outrage that we jail smalltime folks for stuff that is largely benign to society.

I don't like the stuff being part of our culture, really. When I studied it for ten years (lol @Bullet) and wrote a high school research paper on it, I observed that countries where it was pervasively in use were just too mellow to become great.

So, no offense guys.... I just want to Make America Great Again, but that's the job of churches and other publicly interested educational folks, not the government.

It really does challenge my Liberty instincts to accept any kind of management of society from our government. I can't really see doing away with the FDA entirely, and I have to admit we need professional management in many areas. But we have better things to invest legal skills in, lawyer defense and prosecution and judge's calendars that pot.

Really.
 
Ron Mexico said:
The interesting thing is that Marijuana has mostly been grown for its recreational purposes. Strands that are popular are so because of the effects it has on recreational purposes. But hopefully as we continue to research and grow different strands medical types can be developed. Along with that strands that are better for peoples health and wellness even within recreational use can be developed.

There is a lot of research already done on Marijuana but there is a lot more to be done. There is also a lot of false information out there about it. People often claim its addictive because its a huge dopamine increase but that has generally been debunked. Its more of the anandamide neurotransmitter that is being effected. This is why THC can have such a large influence and effect things like motivation, anxiety and depression in both a positive and potentially negative way.

There are also lots of other "drugs" that can have a positive impact and I think Marijuana might be a tipping point for some of those such as shrooms and MDMA. Those are other things that should be studied and legalized.


But I am strongly of the opinion that all drugs should be decriminalized. Especially the addictive ones. No one should be criminalized for being addicted, they should be helped.
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This isn't exactly true. Hemp has been grown with limited THC and is used for the other hundred or so medical cannibanoids.

Regardless of dopamine interaction, we have very primitive knowledge of brain chemistry of the endocannibanoid system. There are important receptors in every part of the brain.

For those who don't know, your body already creates cannabinoids, you potheads. Every chemical or drug has a side effect. Some, like melatonine are very limited. We don't kno w what effects cannabinoid supplements have.
 
uncle f said:
@Ron Mexico

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5123717/

This looks to show dopamine is affected. Not that should be the primary issue in the debate. Any drug that alters brain chemistry pathways is going to have effects and we should recognize them for research.
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That is an interesting read. There seems to be a fair amount of debate about dopamine release. Even within this article they show mixed results with dopamine release from THC on humans. One of the human studies showed dopamine release in one of the studies but another one did not show any. Although I didnt see them mention how large of a dopamine release happened in the study with humans. My guess is it is very small.

I do agree we should research this drugs effects a lot more, along with many others, especially if they alter brain chemistry.
 
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