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Locked on Jazz—Is watching film a negative?

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Locked on Jazz—Is watching film a negative?

November 16th, 2010

One of the largest changes in the NBA over the years has been in the increase in amounts of film team’s watch. However, is it possible watching film creates a negative mind?

Today at practice Jerry Sloan said, “When you start watching film you become very negative, because basketball is a negative, guys don’t shot 50%.”

Assistant Coach Tyrone Corbin pointed out, “As a player seeing the film you see all the negatives, you can’t hide anything on film. You can’t get wrapped up with all the negatives.”

We hear coaches all the time talking about we are going to watch the film. We will look at the film and straighten it out. The team piles into a film room and works through various plays and sequences the video coordinator has pulled from previous action.

Sloan has always taken a slightly different approach. Accentuating the positive is a far better way to get players to succeed and play the game at their peak. Pounding on a player over and over in a film session is not going to promote the player into a positive performance.

The other area where Sloan alters his approach from other coaches is the length of time the team watches film. During the regular season film sessions are very short. Sloan believes the attention span after a short period of time makes the experience worthless. Similar to his approach to practices, give sharp attention for a short time and move on.

During the post-season the Jazz will intensify their film watching. When the opponent is going to be the same and the players attention to detail is heightened the film sessions increase in detail and length.

The Jazz do give each player a video following every game of that night’s action. Sloan wants his players to watch it and learn from it, but to do it on their own volition. “If you are a student of the game you learn how to play guys differently. If you play the same guy for 48 minutes he is going to be beat you.”
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My only qualm is the difference between 'never' and 'sometimes' watching film. Also, you don't have to focus sheerly on negatives, watching equal amounts of 'plays gone wrong' as 'plays gone right' would alleviate some of the concerns about the tendency for film sessions to trend negative, I would think.
 
Seriously, for guys like Jefferson, there is no limit to watching film. He's still learning how to not look like a complete idiot in this offense. He needs to watch more to figure out where the doubles are coming from, who's open, and which angles to use to get into the paint and score. Quite honestly, Fess or Evans gives me more confidence in scoring right now than Jefferson's shotput.
 
So is the argument that by watching too much game film the players' feelings or psyche are going to get hurt? Is that really what Sloan and Corbin are trying to say?

When I look at what other coaches are doing, I don't look at the mediocre coaches. I look at the coaches that know how to win. And I'm not talking about winning games during the regular season, I'm talking about winning games during the playoffs. Winning games that that ultimately allow you to carry that trophy above your head at the end of the last series.

The Jazz have failed, completely, in winning those series winning games as long as I've been watching them...since 1992.

The coaches that I'm talking about, at least currently, are Jackson and Popovich. Both winners in their own right. They've exceeded anything Sloan has done by using championships as a measuring stick.

Jackson:

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It was all there for everyone, including the Lakers, to see
Coach Phil Jackson puts the team through a video session of the victory over Minnesota on Tuesday to address problem areas.
LAKERS FYI
November 10, 2010|By Broderick Turner
The video didn't lie.

It is something the Lakers know all too well, especially since Coach Phil Jackson forced them to watch at practice Wednesday their less-than-enthralling victory over the struggling and depleted Minnesota Timberwolves.


Jackson wasn't going to allow the Lakers to just seamlessly move on to Thursday night's game against the Nuggets in Denver without looking back at Tuesday night's effort against the Timberwolves.

"We had a good video session, understanding the things that went right and went wrong [Tuesday] night," Pau Gasol said. "We're all aware of what we did last night and where we need to go to be successful in the upcoming games."

Jackson lamented the lack of execution on offense.

He harped on how the Lakers were beaten on the backboards, 54 rebounds to 42.

There was the issue of how the Timberwolves outscored the Lakers in the paint, 44-40.

It was painful to watch, and not just for the players.

"All the coaches had to watch the whole game on film, man," assistant coach Brian Shaw said, smiling. "And then we had to watch three quarters of the game with the players."

The Lakers may be 8-0, but they are striving to be better. That's why Jackson made his team revisit the game against Minnesota.

"You want to go back and try and figure out what you can do better," Jackson said. "It's not so much as a stopping point. We're going to have losses, there's no doubt.

"This is a long season. So in the process, I sometimes tell a team, 'Maybe it would have been better if we had lost that game than win it because you think it's OK because the score was all right.' But as long we go back and cover some of the spots that we made mistakes in, I think it helps."

So what did the Lakers learn from the Minnesota game?

"If you allow a team to play harder than you, they are going to have a chance to beat you no matter how good you are," Gasol said.

Harsh words from Fisher

After the victory over Minnesota, Derek Fisher had some harsh things to say about his team, saying they were reckless and disrespectful to the game.

Jackson said Fisher's "opinion is valued," but that using the word disrespectful is "a potent word in our society."

"I don't know if it was total disrespect, but I think it was unconscious to a lack of a real conscious effort for what we were trying to get accomplished out there," Jackson said.

West to get statue

Jerry West, whose silhouette is the likeness for the NBA logo, will receive another honor when the Lakers build a statue of him outside Staples Center.

West will have his statue unveiled in February during the All-Star weekend at Staples Center.

West will become the third Laker to have a statue outside the building, joining Magic Johnson and broadcaster Chick Hearn. Wayne Gretzky and Oscar De La Hoya also have statues in front of Staples Center.

broderick.turner@latimes.com
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Popovich

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June 18, 2005
Gregg Popovich
DETROIT, MICHIGAN: Practice Day

Q. I wish I could start out with a funny question for you, but on a serious note, you got a firsthand taste of that resiliency of the Pistons, can you talk about the way they bounce back every series in the postseason, what that means.
COACH GREGG POPOVICH: Yeah, they did it last year, too. They have got a great, as you say, ability to be resilient and to come back fully confident, change their execution in the sense that from one night to the next it goes from poor to excellent. Defense goes from pretty good to great. Poor rebounding to great rebounding, you know, that sort of thing. They really come back well when they don't play well, and that's always been a characteristic of us, too, but I think they have really done it well the last two games.
Q. Is it harder for you going up against Coach Larry Brown, not because he's a great coach but because he's a good friend?
COACH GREGG POPOVICH: It's strange, it's a strange feeling. The strange feeling is when you win a game, actually because you feel for the other guy. As we've said, not so much that you're going to give it away, but it's a strange feeling when you're going against a good friend.
Q. What can you do to create more scoring opportunities in the paint, not only for Tim, but what can you do to open things up for your guards who had an easier time driving the lane in the first couple of games?
COACH GREGG POPOVICH: Well, we can keep the basketball more than anything. We have to have more possessions and when we turn the basketball over as much as we have, that's the No. 1 thing that keeps us from having more opportunities. Against these guys, it's a double whammy, because when you do it, they are down the court and it's part of their offense and they are scoring. In the halfcourt we played good defense, but to give them those points, not only adds to their score, but limits our ability to get any points on the board and that's what generally has been tough for us. Timmy, he's catching the ball, he just has to figure out a way to get in the hole. He's getting enough touches in the halfcourt, he'll continue to get the ball, they are not fronting him or anything like that. So he's getting the basketball. We've just got to play better.
Q. A lot of people have talked about the importance of Game 5, in this 2-3-2 format, has it almost become a home-court disadvantage?
COACH GREGG POPOVICH: I think philosophically, or at least on paper, one would probably say that if you have the home-court advantage to start, and you get one on the road, it's a huge advantage. The other side of the coin is, if the Spurs have a home-court advantage and you don't get one on the road, then it becomes a disadvantage. I think that's in general an accurate way to look at the series. So it's a huge game as far as I look at it, I think it's monstrous to try to get the fifth game. To say anything different I would probably be disingenuous, because in my heart, you know, we knew we had to get a game. Sure, you want to get them both and all that kind of baloney, but you want to get a game on the road in this format without a doubt.
Q. I understand that today was more of a Serbian-type of film session. I'm wondering what you were trying to get across to guys.
COACH GREGG POPOVICH: I wonder where you guys get your information sometimes. We just had a film session a half an hour ago.
Q. Yeah.
COACH GREGG POPOVICH: So you're saying there's a leak on my team? (Laughter).
Q. You have to get Gordon Liddy to fix it.
COACH GREGG POPOVICH: He doesn't fix things real well. Ask Richard. He doesn't fix real well, or else he had some other people that didn't do it very well.
Q. So what were you trying to get across today?
COACH GREGG POPOVICH: Just like, you know, any film, you know, Coach had a film session at some point, I'm sure. They won. We all have film sessions. Win or lose you're going to go in and point out what you did well or what you did poorly. That's part of the deal, you know, to keep players up to speed, because people talk about things on TV, in the print media. Very honestly, a lot of it is inaccurate. People think they see things in the game and what happened, and that's not what happened. When you look at the film, even coaches and players, you know, you think something happened in the game and you look at the film and you go, geez, that's not what I thought I saw in the game at all. So to see the film and to pick out the most important parts and specifically show players what they did well or not well in pick-and-roll or transition D or whatever it is, is important for them for the following game, so we did that. And I guess you're referring to the approach or how heated the session might have been. Let's just say it was heart felt. (Laughter).
Q. One more thing, how important --
COACH GREGG POPOVICH: I'm trying to be serious. We have a big game tomorrow.
Q. How important is it, also, you mentioned to point out, especially after you've lost a game, the positive things that were done in a game.
COACH GREGG POPOVICH: That's part of the film, too. We did this well, okay, how tough is this, can we please do this. That's what we're trying to do, why don't we do more of that, this is not the way we want to do this. Sure, it goes back and forth. Some is positive and some is negative.
Q. What's it going to take to get Tony cranked up to where he was earlier in the series?
COACH GREGG POPOVICH: We've talked a lot the last two days, the last two games I think have been more about what's between the ears and what's in the chest, has sort of been our mantra. With Tony, it's between the ears. He's a young guy, he's 23, he has good games and he has bad games. But for him, he's best when he approaches each game as a scoring guard, as an attack guard, as an aggressive guard, rather than starting the game as a distributor and I'm-going-to-keep-the-team-together guard. So we want to get him back in that sort of frame of mind.
Q. Just to follow-up to the film session, one player described you as almost giddy, because you're ready to get back out on the floor and see what kind of character, see how they respond, is that an accurate description, "giddy"?
COACH GREGG POPOVICH: Can you give me an exact description of "giddy" before I answer that?
Q. I have no idea. One of your players used that word and it went over my head and that's why I'm asking you.
COACH GREGG POPOVICH: "Giddy" means a lot of different things to different people. One can be giddy for a variety of reasons. Let's name a few. (Laughter).
Q. Okay.
COACH GREGG POPOVICH: A bonus check makes one giddy. A glass of fine wine that's bought cheaply makes me giddy. And in a basketball sense, I'm trying to think about what would make one giddy on the court, and the only thing that would make my giddy get up would be a win. I mean, you're going to raise up on a win, but on a loss, you know, there's no giddy in the loss. A whole lot of giddy in a win. But I don't remember giddy in the film session. We did have one funny part in the film session and if you can figure that out you would be a hell of an investigator and that was in the first five minutes in the game. If you can find out when that was, you'll get a kick out of it. Other than that, it was all basketball.
Q. That's why I come to you, Pop.
COACH GREGG POPOVICH: Right.
Q. Your press offense has been very good at teams that press better than the Pistons do, I think that's sort of fair to say. Are they different to make you adjust something that you do on the press offense?
COACH GREGG POPOVICH: I think what we have done is been very physical, and I think that we have had some players react very poorly to it. For instance, it's not a good idea to bring the ball up the court along the sideline when your defender is waiting across halfcourt and you see a very large person to your right coming at the same time. One would want to cross the court with the ball or get rid of it. But the worst thing to do is to dribble across the halfcourt line so that two people can jump all over you. So we are doing our best to explain that to a couple of individuals, but other than that, I think we're okay.
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At the beginning of the season you had the captain of our team asking for game film watching time. Asking for it.
 
There you have Jackson showing film of a win...of a ****ing win and Popovich showing film during the finals....which his team subsequently won.

Now, seriously, ask yourself, if you had to take advice regarding game film from some specific coach why would you take it from Sloan? Why?
 
VINYLONE said:
There you have Jackson showing film of a win...of a ****ing win and Popovich showing film during the finals....which his team subsequently won.

Now, seriously, ask yourself, if you had to take advice regarding game film from some specific coach why would you take it from Sloan? Why?
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Slaon says in the article that film sessions increase during the playoffs. The jazz just had a file session a coupe of weeks ago, early in the season. You seem to be creating a difference where none exists.
 
Right on cue...eh, Sloan Brow?!

Why not build a foundation during the regular season and fine tune that machine?
 
VINYLONE said:
So is the argument that by watching too much game film the players' feelings or psyche are going to get hurt? Is that really what Sloan and Corbin are trying to say?
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Maybe you should read the article, dimwit.
 
"Sloan has always taken a slightly different approach. Accentuating the positive is a far better way to get players to succeed and play the game at their peak. Pounding on a player over and over in a film session is not going to promote the player into a positive performance."

That aint coachin 101, just ax S2, ya know? Ya needz to browbeats them chumps and rub they face in every little mistake. Aint that right, S2?
 
LOL at Jerry acting like he's a positive coach. Love Sloan but how often does he say anything positive, at least publicly?
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
That was definitely a fairly large part of Sloan and Corbin's argument against abundant film viewing.
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Not the whole argument. Viny, as is usually the case, is cherry picking to suit his own preconceived notions of reality. Further, he's assuming that because a successful coach does one thing, that that's the only thing someone has to do to become a successful coach AND that no other methods could possibly be more effective.

Rich.
 
So... have the Lakers and Spurs ever watched game film before they lost? Did the Spurs watch game film last year? If so, why didn't they win the championship? Ever think it has less to do with winning than actually practicing plays? Are the players allowed to get together to look at film on their own? The only reason to do more film in my mind, is because Deron wants to and asked to. Would we be undefeated this year if we watched more film? Would we start games better if we watched more film? (we being the Jazz)

Just curious
 
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