Funny thing, I suppose. I am not sure God feels any differently.
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Funny thing, I suppose. I am not sure God feels any differently.
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Brow never bothered to answer my question.
I guess I'll ask a different one to babe.
You think those who reject Christ's redemption won't have any consequences beyond regret at the opportunities they missed in life?
I guess I'll ask a different one to babe.
You think those who reject Christ's redemption won't have any consequences beyond regret at the opportunities they missed in life?
For sure, Chrst said, many times and in many places and situations that we are what we choose to be or make of ourselves in this life, and there are consequences of an eternal nature, and even stated that our life's end is a closing door to our choice.
Mornons just don't beleive it . . . . . is just that final.
There is some further choice, but it will be a more limited and a more difficult one.
It seems that the question of the day is whether we care to love a God on faith, while we are "away" from His immediate presence, at least to ordinary appearances. Who wouldn't love the almighty and all-virtuous Father while he is beaming at his kids. Mormons believe that those who don't have a fair chance, or a meaningful opportunity in this life to understand enough to make that choice,will have that chance and that choice sometime before the judgement day.
Folks who mess up a fair chance may need to make up for lost time, but even that chance is time sensitive, and signicantly impaired after the final judgement
Mornons just don't beleive it . . . . . is just that final.
There is some further choice, but it will be a more limited and a more difficult one.
It seems that the question of the day is whether we care to love a God on faith, while we are "away" from His immediate presence, at least to ordinary appearances. Who wouldn't love the almighty and all-virtuous Father while he is beaming at his kids. Mormons believe that those who don't have a fair chance, or a meaningful opportunity in this life to understand enough to make that choice,will have that chance and that choice sometime before the judgement day.
Folks who mess up a fair chance may need to make up for lost time, but even that chance is time sensitive, and signicantly impaired after the final judgement
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I'll try a better explanation. Part of the problem is that there are so many variables that's it's difficult to give a complete picture.
However, one facet would be the preservation of your nature. Some people describe heaven as eternally adoring the true beauty of God, but that would bore me fairly quickly. If that's a requirement to be in heaven, I would have to deny who I am to to be redeemed. That would be immoral.
I would expect even those basic God-loving morons who imagine that is what eternity is for will get bored after a short while, and start asking about what else there is to do.
I expect there is a lot to do, for all kinds of talents.
Probably a whole lot of geneticists working on "getting the bugs out" of the designed, intelligent, and ever-evolving forms of life. . . . .
Well, OB didn't answer this one.
Most Christians accept the idea of an almighty God who can do "miracles" far beyond our abilities or comprehension. . .. quibbling about God's methodology seems to them to detract from the awesomeness of God. Mormonism, traditionally, has sought to rationally "close the gap", so to speak. . . . imagining or believing people can do more, and imagining or believing God is more like us. It can seem to be a sort of "blasphemy", I suppose, to some. . . . .
Most Christians accept the idea of an almighty God who can do "miracles" far beyond our abilities or comprehension. . .. quibbling about God's methodology seems to them to detract from the awesomeness of God. Mormonism, traditionally, has sought to rationally "close the gap", so to speak. . . . imagining or believing people can do more, and imagining or believing God is more like us. It can seem to be a sort of "blasphemy", I suppose, to some. . . . .
I thought it was an interesting take on the issue, but didn't particularly agree nor disagree.
I have been leading you into new territory, I think.
Knowing how you feel about experts and the wonders of modern science making "a better day" for the world, and supposing you embrace the wondrous benefits of government run by the very best of intellects.........
and also knowing as I do that the Mormons began as "socialists" and expansive advocates of mankind's destiny embracing, generally, science and elitism of the highest rank. . . . though taken back, as some might term it, with fundamentalist retrenchments in the old line theologies in hopes of appearing acceptably "religious". . . .
and knowing that todays LDS leaders are solidly on the progressive bandwagon despite all pretensions to the contrary, doing a sort of dance with the devil, while trying to appear. . .. or perhaps earnestly believing they actually are. . . sufficiently traditional that people will think they truly are rooted in bedrock truth. . . . .
The idea of a God that resembles, say, the finest and most admiring take, on David Rockefeller or maybe even Prince Philip. . .. or perhaps another even more influential advocate of an enlightened globalism. Yep, Mormons are on that bandwagon where, like the Grand Inquisitor of medieval times as portrayed in Solzhenitsyn's story. . .. we are perfecting the work of Christ.
For the good of all mankind, mind you.
Everyone does. The minds of people exhibit wondrous variety.
Consciousness: What is it?
I know "anecdotal" is considered an indictment of sorts, but unless we accept evidence like this, we live in a logically-closed loop:
https://www.facebook.com/Anita.Moorjani
Here is a woman with a story that transcends every "religious" line of belief. . . . says her cancer was healed as a result of a decision, a choice, made while in a coma. The story involves her near-death experience while in a hospital, during which she was able to view her body from above and hear the things being said about her in another room, and to see her brother in India making arrangements to fly to Hong Kong, and know he hoped to get there before she died. . . her condition was considered hopeless and doctors expected her to die within hours.
After 30 hours she opened her eyes and began telling her family where she had been and relating to them how she knew the admitting doctor and what had been said on her arrival. .. . while she was in a coma. She was kept in the hospital under observation while tests were done which proved negative for cancer, though her diagnosis of cancer had been amply documented by tests before she went into her coma, as her cancer diagnosis had been well-established.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/anit...like-to-die-by-anita-moorjani/733506046694396
I know "anecdotal" is considered an indictment of sorts, but unless we accept evidence like this, we live in a logically-closed loop:
https://www.facebook.com/Anita.Moorjani
Here is a woman with a story that transcends every "religious" line of belief. . . . says her cancer was healed as a result of a decision, a choice, made while in a coma. The story involves her near-death experience while in a hospital, during which she was able to view her body from above and hear the things being said about her in another room, and to see her brother in India making arrangements to fly to Hong Kong, and know he hoped to get there before she died. . . her condition was considered hopeless and doctors expected her to die within hours.
After 30 hours she opened her eyes and began telling her family where she had been and relating to them how she knew the admitting doctor and what had been said on her arrival. .. . while she was in a coma. She was kept in the hospital under observation while tests were done which proved negative for cancer, though her diagnosis of cancer had been amply documented by tests before she went into her coma, as her cancer diagnosis had been well-established.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/anit...like-to-die-by-anita-moorjani/733506046694396
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astral projection or even "remote viewing" would probably be something different from the claimed "awareness" state in the links, not to say I know anything about either of the three, exactly. just saying, if it is true that you are just "filling in" or "connecting the dots" of the linked story, I think you need to look at the story and maybe explain your terminology. The story's first hand person is someone who could probably define the difference between "astral projection" and her sense of what it was, for her.
"consciousness" in my view is rooted in our nature, a nature which transcends our physical or mortal "coil" somehow. "astral projection" would,in my view, probably be something like "remote viewing", which I think is hokey fantasy stuff. I dunno. Maybe I look up some information on the "hokey fantasy stuff" to see if what I think is "accurate".
suggesting maybe read the link I cited before you pin a label on it, too.
the reason I liked the story is because it correlates with my own experience in life.