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Quinones have been researched in some medical applications, including viral diseases such as Herpes and Dengue. Some of the effects are on DNA replication were some planars bicyclic quinones appear as intercalation interferences, essentially displacing a purine or pyrimidine base with nonsense and/or blocking transcription.

Other effects appear to be due to interference with viral attachment or entry into a cell.

But in regard to a Corona type of virus, I predict that its effects are two fold. Primary oxidation of the highly unsaturated oils which allow a Corona virus to attach without a specific receptor in the cell membrane, and secondary effects as antimicrobial oxidizer power.

Quinones are classic industrial reagents used very much in dyes and other products, including tanning products and photographic reagents, and it can be certainly assessed problematic in food applications, such as butylated hydroxytoluene , etc. Food preservative much used in many convenience foods.

Living things have to somehow utilize reduced carbon nutrients , and oxidized crap is poison.
 
Here's one of dozens of antivirals being developed for treatment of Covid 19.

The article doesn't say just what it is, that I could see.

Corona viruses have spikes coated with "glycoprotein", meaning the coded protein base of the spike is of a character that allows, and maybe be specifically processed to gain a coat of sugars, in this case I think mannose is the sugar. Almost all cell membranes also have glycoproteins particularly on receptor sites.
 
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Just wondering.....

Looking at my several posts above I could fairly accuse you of wanting to just showcase my stupidity.

Well, I do my best to do that, generally.

I was talking about the specific attributes of the Covid 19 virus, as I then understood it. Apparently all wrong.

I'm debating whether to start a new thread on that, or maybe one of Fauci's emails. Apparently Fauci is not as smart as Hillary or Obama in this business. It's jgonna take a whole lot of painful ignore-ance to keep that out of play.

In 1982 I was working for an immunologist, high ranking in the profession, doing a lot of peer-reviewed journal reading. Gawd, in those days I even collected stacks of volumes of those journals and lined the walls of my house with them. My brother was an officer in the US Army specializing in chemical and biological warfare. He died suddenly in 1981 and his wife gave me all his materials.

Corona Virus gain of function research was a pretty well-established thing. Then in the back channel news, there were three top scientists in the field who died unexpectedly, and no one investigated it.

I lost interest in doing that research.
 
New Topic (revisited, perhaps)

Some think this thread is huge narcissistic outrage, a totally overdone ego sort of thing.

Well, maybe. Maybe not.

The idea behind it, in its most persistent theme, is to subject myself to gratuitous scrutiny and maybe learn something.

My daughters are now off on the wing. Their pigeon, however, still roosts on the garage light fixture. Their ducks waddle around in t he back yard waiting for me to fill up their little pond. Their dogs are apparently my dogs now, too. I don't like travel much, unless I drive, and my idea of fun is a cool dark room and nap on a hot day, or maybe........ maybe...... composing this drivel for no audience at all.

I sprained my leg. It's be several weeks getting close to normal.

But nobody has to read this.

Still, I imagine some newbies swinging down to see the Jazz might find it curious. So here goes.
 
Socialism vs. Fascism.

socialism​

noun​

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
  • leftism
  • Fabianism
  • syndicalism
  • consumer socialism
  • utopian socialism

fascism​

noun​

1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
  • authoritarianism
  • totalitarianism
  • dictatorship
  • despotism
  • autocracy
  • absolute rule
 
The simplistic and I say blatantly false political constructs nomally taught today do not address the real issues.

socialism and fascism are in fact normally merged in governments because of political corruption issues. Easy to talk tgrash. Easy to mislead the general populace.

The word socialism from it's roots would imply a community governance of shared interests, not normally involving loss of basic human rights. Well, debateable even at this .

The word "fascism" from its root would imply government via a more restreictive set of interests working together, with some special or elite set of people running the show to the detriment of the rights of others.

I think a constructive or true discussion of government needs better logic, better terms, and attention to key issues.

Previous to the American Revolution, with perhaps a few historical preludes across the ages, most government consisted of autocratic authoritarian rulers of varying strength (meaning numbers of troops or cops or tax collectors) that largely disrespected the notion of human rights, especially individual human rights. A few "good" kings were highly regarded by their citizens as a community because of benevolence or relative liberty.

The American Revolution created a new monster..... a limited government, according to the hopes of its originators, that could only with difficultly become oppressive like the British had been with the colonies. This is American Exceptionalism at the root. A people relatively free with a government that protected the individual rights of ordinary citizens. Ideals of equal justice for all, regardless of wealth or rank or "connections". A kind of limited democracy where the majority could not become oppressive over a minority.

Well, we had some coloniies with "slavery", but the founders were uncomfortable and designed to stop importation of slaves after 1820, and many wanted to end slavery altogether. But as a broken set, we did not have the possible strength to maintain our freedom from Britain or other European powers at that time.

Considerable research by historian Anthony Chaitkin, develops the evidence that Britain schemed to break apart the colonies over first commercial issues in the first decade of our independence, and many other stratagems. Finally, the secessionist and abolitionists were both funded from Britain to divide our nation.

In fact, there was a scheme to get a hayseed radical named Abe Lincoln elected as a provocation so outrageous to the South, that they would secede. It was funded by some British aligned NY bankers, who hoped to just sweet talk silly Abe to let the secession go forward. After that, the British foreign office hoped to militarily take the Mississippi corridor and limet the colonies' permanently, weaken them commercially,and destroy them with war between themselves.

In this time span, Russia intervened to help the US hold out with naval operations on the West Coast that deterred British expansion there., and France acted to protect us on the Atlantic, and Spain in the Gulf. The North was able to blockade Southern ports, and doom the secessionists. But the damnYanks up North still had British-aligned bankers, and somehow they got the investment capital to re-imagine American industry. Abe bought on with the whole railroad idea.

Abe Lincoln was more of Union man than a humanitarian abolitionist. The reason he fought was because he instinctively knew that as a divided nation, we could not stand.

So in conclusion, the true politcal spectrum is not left or right, but free humans and slave humans. Nothing else is the real issue.
 
I grew up a Mormon, which is beyond question a kind of theocratic socialism, but which has at least claimed to protect human rights. We get to work together to make life better. That's what community is.

In reality, it is also a kind of fascist "faith" with undue reverence for elites or leaders, and another sort of power-concentrating tool.

In whole, it presents as a mild sort of system people can voluntarily work with and benefit from. No guns. No jackbooted thugs with badges. Just good ideas.
 
It would take a lot of close scholarly research, hard to access, but I think China's Xi is a kind of "Mormon", but without the notion of human rights. I horrifically imagine the LDS temple in Shanghai with all the fine appointments, with a special wall in the holy of holies draped with a gorgeous drape of crimson red tones and Xi's face as the beneficient Great Leader. The Prophet of China, with his books of necessary guidance's and aphorisms to encourage the people.

and, unfortunately, still, the thugs with badges and the camps for reeducation or "processing"

Recent disclosures of LDS investment funds show a very strong China alliance , as do most of the American Institutional portfolios.

Clearly, "Marxism" is on the wane in China, asnd nationalist notions on the rise..... "Confucianism" strongly enhanced.

Putin in Russia is also building up nationalism and traditional Russian cjulture, including the Orthodox CatholicChurch.
 
So, in conclusion, I think a valid terminology for discussing political spectrums must include the the degree of involvement of capital in influencing elections and government actions.

I think we are being massively lied to about global fascism inherent in the UN culture and structure.. Most of the current terminology is just so far beyond any reality in comparison.

China, Russia, and the US..... including the UK and EU, have no real political bearings beyond the monetary and the clique of important stakeholders. Even India, Brazil, Japan. Who else is there. Do we really have any national entity that is not overwhelmingly under this influence????
 
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