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Muhammad's mother's name........

Do you know Muhammad's mother's name?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 28.6%
  • No

    Votes: 5 71.4%

  • Total voters
    7
The one that gathers most flak is this one, I believe. Note how it should say idolaters-- its been mistranslated as 'infidel' ad nauseum:





In case you are not well-versed in your 600-700 AD Middle Eastern history, the Arabian peninsula was a war-torn region. The prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was persecuted for 13 years, akin to the prophets Abraham and Jesus (pbut). Initially, Muslims were instructed to avoid confronting their enemies, and to escape to Medina. After they left, the Meccans attacked them in Medina on and off for a period of nine years until this 9th chapter of the Quran, was revealed by the angel Gabriel.

Again, when you look at the context of that whole chapter, or the historical context of what that passage was supposed to be meant for, I think it begins to make more sense. Please ask more questions if I haven't really clarified it.

Now, for fun, I'll post a couple other quotes:








A couple interesting ones:





^ last quote simply highlights one of the fundamental differences between Christianity and Islam-- figured I'd include it for those who never knew.


I think some of the evidence behind the fact that these quotes used to be taken seriously-- is simply looking at the Middle East 100 years ago, and being able to find neighbourhoods were Christian families lived next door to Muslim, and Jewish ones for millennia. Not very many regions in the world can make the same claim.
 
I think some of the evidence behind the fact that these quotes used to be taken seriously-- is simply looking at the Middle East 100 years ago, and being able to find neighbourhoods were Christian families lived next door to Muslim, and Jewish ones for millennia. Not very many regions in the world can make the same claim.

I always have seen nationalism as a part of patriotism, but I think nationalism destructed the life you've stated above. Especially in multi-subcultural places like Anatolia.
 
I think some of the evidence behind the fact that these quotes used to be taken seriously-- is simply looking at the Middle East 100 years ago, and being able to find neighbourhoods were Christian families lived next door to Muslim, and Jewish ones for millennia. Not very many regions in the world can make the same claim.

So, what the hell happened? How did they go from peace and love for all, to tell me that woman's name or I shoot your children in the face?
 
So, what the hell happened? How did they go from peace and love for all, to tell me that woman's name or I shoot your children in the face?

And that right there, is the million dollar question.
 
So oil, then. But why the sudden stop in scientific innovation centuries ago? Another interesting question to ponder.

Muslim societies/empires didn't catch the Renaissance and Reform era of European culture. And they sunk in their own ignorance. You see, Marx defined those societies as Asiatic, some kind of society that differs essentially from the Western societies that he used his class-conflict theory upon. These Asiatic types had their tyrants, usually as a scepter-holder of God which strengthened their power of throne. And there was no Catholic Church and a truly feudal system that left the people subjects and rayah in a slavery situation like the serves of the Europe of Dark Age did -well at least there wasn't the emerging struggle between social-economical classes. Those societies did not live the conflicts Western ones did, they did not give birth to new social classes like the bourgeois or the workers (blue collars in the Mills terminology). The main thing that happened is the modernizing revolutions that were imposed from the top of the governmental hierarchy, and since those societies always had the religious leaders in their bodies that were able to hold on in the modernizing times, the revolutions screwed up, being incommunicado from the real "people" and instead becoming elitist oligarchies that were bound to lose their power. It happened in Iran, it's happening in Turkey, but the best and most interesting thing is, the new world we live in, the internet world, people reach every type of information from their home terminals and it is a lot, I mean A LOT harder to keep the new generation people ignorant as they were supposed to be for the interest of this nondemocratic system. I like the way the things are going. I think radical Islamism will start to decline in the decades that lies before us.
 
UK and USA happened.

Cop-out answer there. We don't like America and England so now we shoot children in the face if they don't know the name of Muhammed's mother. There was much greater animosity through the Crusades than there would have been due to the cotton gin.

Seriously, any guesses what happened?
 
Muslim societies/empires didn't catch the Renaissance and Reform era of European culture. And they sunk in their own ignorance. You see, Marx defined those societies as Asiatic, some kind of society that differs essentially from the Western societies that he used his class-conflict theory upon. These Asiatic types had their tyrants, usually as a scepter-holder of God which strengthened their power of throne. And there was no Catholic Church and a truly feudal system that left the people subjects and rayah in a slavery situation like the serves of the Europe of Dark Age did -well at least there wasn't the emerging struggle between social-economical classes. Those societies did not live the conflicts Western ones did, they did not give birth to new social classes like the bourgeois or the workers (blue collars in the Mills terminology). The main thing that happened is the modernizing revolutions that were imposed from the top of the governmental hierarchy, and since those societies always had the religious leaders in their bodies that were able to hold on in the modernizing times, the revolutions screwed up, being incommunicado from the real "people" and instead becoming elitist oligarchies that were bound to lose their power. It happened in Iran, it's happening in Turkey, but the best and most interesting thing is, the new world we live in, the internet world, people reach every type of information from their home terminals and it is a lot, I mean A LOT harder to keep the new generation people ignorant as they were supposed to be for the interest of this nondemocratic system. I like the way the things are going. I think radical Islamism will start to decline in the decades that lies before us.

Ok I missed this. Much better explanation. Ignorance apparently is not bliss.
 
Damn, just learned they killed a Turkish woman in the attacks too. Her being Turkish doesn't make it any more tragic but her being eight month pregnant definitely does. Furthermore, she was a Harvard graduate working there for their people as a malaria specialist.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/bill-c...-before-becoming-a-mother-20130924-2uaty.html

Definitely the most infernal comprehension of Islam and Jihad. You vile monsters, you deserve the eternal damnation and no doubt for me you will get it.
 
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Damn, just learned they killed a Turkish woman in the attacks too. Her being Turkish doesn't make it any more tragic but her being eight month pregnant definitely does. Furthermore, she was a Harvard graduate working there for their people as a malaria specialist.

Definitely the most infernal comprehension of Islam and Jihad. You vile monsters, you deserve the eternal damnation and no doubt for me you will get it.

The older I get, the less I understand the world, and the less I like it.

What does killing unarmed people prove? What does killing a woman, a pregnant woman? Madness.
 
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The rumored mentor of the suicide bombers of Al-Shabab, Samantha Lewthwaite (British) is the wife of one of the bombers in the London attack after the nine eleven.
 
Damn, just learned they killed a Turkish woman in the attacks too. Her being Turkish doesn't make it any more tragic but her being eight month pregnant definitely does. Furthermore, she was a Harvard graduate working there for their people as a malaria specialist.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/bill-c...-before-becoming-a-mother-20130924-2uaty.html

Definitely the most infernal comprehension of Islam and Jihad. You vile monsters, you deserve the eternal damnation and no doubt for me you will get it.

Wasn't Yavuz Memo's wife maiden name?
 
Death of Elif Yavuz reminded me the death of Rachel Corrie. Both didn't need to be where they died, both were trying to help people over there to make their life more liveable. There is nothing else to say beside saying what a ****ed up world were living in.
 
The older I get, the less I understand the world, and the less I like it.

What does killing unarmed people prove? What does killing a woman, a pregnant woman? Madness.

Duh. It proves you are serious about "helping" people convert to your religion of peace.
 
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