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Until then, we should spend instructional time where it will do the most good for the most people.Perhaps when common core creates Eutopia we will no longer have a practical application for times tables. Until then...
Until then, we should spend instructional time where it will do the most good for the most people.Perhaps when common core creates Eutopia we will no longer have a practical application for times tables. Until then...
There are many skills we don't teach anymore. Keyboarding classes don't teach you how to center text on letterhead by counting spaces anymore. It's a valuable skill to have, but there are other, more important skills, and we have to prioritize. So, we try to measure the size of one disservice against the size of another disservice, and go with the smallest.But I still think we do our kids a disservice by not helping them develop these skills. Sure not everyone will have the same ability just like in literally every other subject they will learn, but it doesn't mean it is useless to make the effort. Many of them will be far better off to have worked to develop at least some skill than none at all.
Agreed. It seems basic math is a fairly important skill. I'm not seeing the benefits of teaching abstract math concepts over basic skills in arithmetic in the real world. I don't see the need for those skills going away any time soon. I do see a lot of young kids, 18-24, coming into my warehouses without basic math skills in the past 5 years or so and they struggle. The interesting thing is it's the kids that will end up in jobs like those in my field that need this, which is a larger percentage than will end up in college, but we are shifting away from teaching this basic skill. Not sure how learning abstract math helps them better than arithmetic skills would. I don't think academics always have the best view of what is needed in industry or business, and neither do politicians, but unfortunately it's almost exclusively these 2 groups that make these decisions.There are many skills we don't teach anymore. Keyboarding classes don't teach you how to center text on letterhead by counting spaces anymore. It's a valuable skill to have, but there are other, more important skills, and we have to prioritize. So, we try to measure the size of one disservice against the size of another disservice, and go with the smallest.
You could be right, but those academics are consulting with businesspeople, unions, etc. as well as other academics to figure this stuff out, so it's not just a small, closed circle of information.I don't think academics always have the best view of what is needed in industry or business, and neither do politicians, but unfortunately it's almost exclusively these 2 groups that make these decisions.
There are many skills we don't teach anymore. Keyboarding classes don't teach you how to center text on letterhead by counting spaces anymore. It's a valuable skill to have, but there are other, more important skills, and we have to prioritize. So, we try to measure the size of one disservice against the size of another disservice, and go with the smallest.
Not sure I agree with this, can you provide citations? Other academics of course, but I question both the depth of consultation and efficacy in terms of business and industry leaders. Also odds are the ones being consulted are the ones spending the most dollars lobbying, which isn't always in the best interest of the public.You could be right, but those academics are consulting with businesspeople, unions, etc. as well as other academics to figure this stuff out, so it's not just a small, closed circle of information.
The data in this study does support, at least at the correlational level, the notion that the ability to solve math problems by hand does have a connection to how well students are able to perform more advanced work that doesnot directly require computation but requires the ability to use higher-order quantitative reasoning skills which are assumed to be associated with physical brain development.
The correlations in our student would suggest that teaching students by requiring them to perform at least some math calculations and manipulations by hand could improve their ability to perform more complex quantitative reasoning. In an era of declining math performance it certainly seems like an option worthy of further study and research.
MitchellSo, if there were an expansion, and we had to leave, say, 3 players unprotected. Who would you pick?
Not sure I agree with this, can you provide citations?
1) That study was well before Common Core was implementedThe Impact of Arithmetic Skills on Mastery of Quantitative Analysis
Over the past several years math education has moved from a period where all math calculations were done by hand to an era where most calculations are done using a calculator or computer. There are certainly benefits to this approach, but when one concomitantly recognizes the declining scores on...www.hindawi.com
I don't think it's nearly as bad as a lot of people are making it out to be.
Growing up the way I did math was pretty damn similar to the examples of common core that I've seen online. I would "show my work" and because that wasn't the way I was taught to do math the teachers gave me a hard time or wouldn't accept my work at all. Breaking numbers into multiple easy to work with pieces and then putting them back together just makes sense to me and makes math easy(er) for me, especially being able to do it in my head.
I kind of hate that instead of letting everyone learn the way they learn best they are now pushing common core. I kind of hate it, but at the same time this is something that was developed by a bunch of education experts and all I hear are mostly non-college educated 40, 50 and 60 something year olds making fun of it without really knowing what it is.
Outlaws has a nice ring to itLooking forward to playing the Las Vegas Showgirls!
They'll probably call the team something like The Aces or Casino Bosses or something.
Right?First page: talk of expansion and what it could mean.
Page five: talking about common core.
You guys are ****ing nerds.
Anyway, expansion would bolster the Jazz staying in Salt Lake long-term if they go into Las Vegas/Seattle, as those are the two markets I could theoretically see the Jazz relocating to if Ryan Smith tires of the limitations of the state.
Cool. Which teams do you think are primary candidates to move East, whom should the Jazz expose, and how do you feel about the Supersonics returning?I never put much thought into why, but your post summed it up nicely. When I saw the thread title, I was excited to read 5 pages worth of talk about which teams would be moving East, who should the Jazz expose in an expansion draft, how sweet it will be to have the Supersonics back, etc.
1. What is common core? Sorry haven’t followed this thread at all.First page: talk of expansion and what it could mean.
Page five: talking about common core.
You guys are ****ing nerds.
Anyway, expansion would bolster the Jazz staying in Salt Lake long-term if they go into Las Vegas/Seattle, as those are the two markets I could theoretically see the Jazz relocating to if Ryan Smith tires of the limitations of the state.
Las Vegas Aces is already taken - it’s the name of our WNBA team.Looking forward to playing the Las Vegas Showgirls!
They'll probably call the team something like The Aces or Casino Bosses or something.
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