New 2017-2018 capspace projections: 102M

[fishonjazz]

With the cap expected to be lower, the Jazz would be paying about $10 million less for a max contract w/ max raises for Hayward through the life of the contract.

Awesome and great explanation

 

[fishonjazz]

Just looked what Hayward's contract would look like.. a 5-year max w/ max raises (7.5% each year) is a 5 year/$178 million (!!!) contract. That is crazy.

If Hayward were to sign a max elsewhere, he could at MOST get 4 year/$131 million. He would be leaving a guaranteed year and $47 million on the table assuming the Jazz offered a full-max.

That is so much money.

 

[fishonjazz]

It also means the cap (and tax presumably) are about 5M less thus giving us less "room" to sign all these guys in the long run. Not sure overall if the news is therefore good or bad. Probably good though.

Good point.
Hopefully the cap goes up right after we sign hayward

 

[Coach Ellis]

Oh for sure but having a super team like that they will still be favorites. Also ring-chasers will sign w/ them with the exceptions and minumums as long as they have that team together.

Chemistry and fit will have to be factored in every season. It's not as simple as plug and play. For what they gain in adding Durant, West and Zaza. . . they are losing a half dozen key parts to their two year run.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think people need to STOP talking about NBA contracts in dollars, and START talking about them in percentages of total salary.

a max contract then and now, will still impact the overall structure of the amount of money we have for other players exactly the same, regardless if the max is 15M/yr or 30M/yr. it is a reflection of a percentage of the overall cap.

I disagree.
If we get Hayward for less dollars and then the cap goes up his dollars stay the same. Contact is better.
If we get Hayward for more dollars and the cap goes down then his dollars stay the same. Contact is worse.

 

[framer]

I think people need to STOP talking about NBA contracts in dollars, and START talking about them in percentages of total salary.

a max contract then and now, will still impact the overall structure of the amount of money we have for other players exactly the same, regardless if the max is 15M/yr or 30M/yr. it is a reflection of a percentage of the overall cap.

Except the percentage is not static. The deals being signed today are expecting a tremendous increase in the salary cap. If that increase isn't as large the "percentage" of the non max contracts jumps considerably. If you are targeting percentage, you might end up boned.

 

[fishonjazz]

Oh for sure but having a super team like that they will still be favorites. Also ring-chasers will sign w/ them with the exceptions and minumums as long as they have that team together.

This.
Curry, klay, durant, green and scrubs is > a deep team of good players.

 

[green]

This.
Curry, klay, durant, green and scrubs is > a deep team of good players.

A deep team of good players just won 73 games and had to lose two starters for stretches to injuries/suspensions before Cleveland could beat them.

The other thing to consider is what Steph has done the last two years has never been done before. His seasons are statistical unicorns. They aren't supposed to happen. Can he stay there? Or does he regress?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm confused... isn't this exactly what I just said?

I was agreeing, but yeah u right kinda redundant.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16859143/nba-salary-cap-projection-2017-18-season-lower-expected

An interesting piece of news that might be important for Utah's next year free agency came up in the last several days - the newest projection for next year's cap is DOWN to 102M(from 107-108M earlier).

This would mean two things
1. fewer teams will have capspace to offer max to Hayward.
2. the max for Hayward AND Gobert will be lower going forward

I feel like BOTH of those pieces of news are good for the Jazz.

Their maxes are going to be the same % of the cap. Doesn't really matter, not like the NBA going to get another huge boost in $$$ anytime soon.

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[fishonjazz]

A deep team of good players just won 73 games and had to lose two starters for stretches to injuries/suspensions before Cleveland could beat them.

The other thing to consider is what Steph has done the last two years has never been done before. His seasons are statistical unicorns. They aren't supposed to happen. Can he stay there? Or does he regress?

I don't consider gsw to be a deep team of good players. I consider them to be a deep team with good players and a couple of stars and an all time great superstar. I think the stars and all time great superstar are more crucial to get to the 73 win mark than the deep good players.

I consider Toronto to be a deep team of good players.

In other words I think a team with Steph, klay, draymond, durant and scrubs is better than the raptors.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

People can be less outraged when they hear the dollar amount I guess.

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[fishonjazz]

People can be less outraged when they hear the dollar amount I guess.

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Plus if the cap did have another big jump then it would be better to have his dollar amount smaller.
And if the cap went way down after we sign him then the higher his total dollar amount is, the worse the contract would be.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Except the percentage is not static. The deals being signed today are expecting a tremendous increase in the salary cap. If that increase isn't as large the "percentage" of the non max contracts jumps considerably. If you are targeting percentage, you might end up boned.

Yeah but after next year the percentages will become more static than the last two. What this means more than anything that contracts signed this current year won't be as discounted in future years as GMs hoped.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Plus if the cap did have another big jump then it would be better to have his dollar amount smaller.
And if the cap went way down after we sign him then the higher his total dollar amount is, the worse the contract would be.

The cap usually doesn't fall or rise significantly. It just happened past two years because of TV and Nike deal.

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[fishonjazz]

The cap usually doesn't fall or rise significantly. It just happened past two years because of TV and Nike deal.

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Usually is a good word and I agree. Usually is different than always or never though.
So with that being the case I would hope his dollar amount would be less rather than more.

 

[stitches]

How will the max for Hayward and Gobert be lower going forward? The cap is still going up, just not as much as first thought. Max contracts will still go up with the rising cap.

Lower than previously expected. His salary won't start based on 108M, but on 102M salary cap.

 

[tyklug2013]

I really hope that Hayward takes the unselfish approach and either takes less money, or takes a front-loaded contract where we get the highest salary out of the way first, making room to extend the rest of the bunch in the following years.

We just have to show him what we've built and how we can contend with the core that we have. I think he cares about this team and its success, I think he wants to be a part of a successful future here. He could do it.

 

[Miggs]

But contracts also go down because they are a percentage of what the cap is. It will only slightly effect the people who threw around money this Summer maybe projecting the cap would be around 108 million. The Jazz did not do that.

I understand. I was wondering whether the differential in what those presumed max deals for Hayward, Favors and Gobert (hypothetically) combined will be compared to what they would have been at the originally higher projected cap would be more or less than 5M in total next season, the year after, and so on.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I really hope that Hayward takes the unselfish approach and either takes less money, or takes a front-loaded contract where we get the highest salary out of the way first, making room to extend the rest of the bunch in the following years.

We just have to show him what we've built and how we can contend with the core that we have. I think he cares about this team and its success, I think he wants to be a part of a successful future here. He could do it.

Lmao. Or he could just take the max from Boston, play in the easier East, and still have a franchise who can build around him since they two future top 5 picks coming in from Boston.

You can't lowball Hayward.