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Game Thread Nov 03, 2025 05:30PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Boston Celtics
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The tank will be fine… I think.
Hearsky
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If I had a nickel for every time @FalseFlagg K 's mom whispered this in my ear.
I went through the stats of current point guards, and Keyonte is top 15 in PER, WAR, points, steals, and is top 5 in assists... so I'd say he qualifies as an average starting point guard based on the small sample size this year..
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Celtics had a comically bad shooting night. I’m going to be this Walker thing keeps him off the court a while. I think the tank is secure. We are once again trying to thread the needle but I don’t think we lose the pick.
Coach Ellis
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I’m glad the young guys are getting some run here, but I’m pretty sure these close wins against Phoenix and Boston are going to haunt the Jazz down the road.
Meh….depends on what you mean by secure. I would bet on us keeping the pick, but likely cutting it close. If you want one of the top 3-4 lotto spots, that seems unlikely at this point.
But the thing about Hard Willy is that even if we had no pick at all, I don’t think it’s best for the franchise to limit minutes for young guys. I actually have a hard time thinking this is about “accountability” and it’s just more about Hardy playing who he wants to without consideration for development.
Zombie
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I dunno, I heard this exact thing after every win last season, and it didn’t turn out to be true.
We’ve played a pretty damn soft opening schedule to be honest- I don’t think we need to be worried yet.
Eh, I think Hardy has a tough job. The absolute zero effort on defense that we’ve seen shouldn’t ever be acceptable- he’s also responsible for developing good habits in these young players and basic accountability will need to be part of the teams culture if we ever want to be a championship team.
Yeah….I don’t buy that this is an accountability thing. I think the vets are better/more experienced and that’s why they’re playing. Hardy is playing the guys who he prefers now instead of doing what’s best for development. Hardy has a history of playing vets who don’t care about defense either. He also has a history of saying he doesn’t care about defense so maybe he should have benched himself.
I don’t think the young guys suck due to lack of effort. You can’t fix everything with a whip especially when the problem is that they need more reps.
The problem with this is Hardy identified the problem we all saw with our own eyes- regardless of what he’s done in the past, he wasn’t at all wrong in identifying the problem on the court- he wasn’t pulling anything out of his nether regions…
Getting the W is meaningless and more harm than good for the franchise. Player development should be the priority at this stage. Can you really blame Hardy for caring about a W more than development? Not really, but it shows we do not have the right priorities as a franchise. I don’t care about him identifying the problems to give us the best chance to win tomorrow. I care about developing our young players and at it’s hard for me to believe that’s the why he’s coaching the way he is. Nobody is making this argument to play the young guys so we can win more games.
When Svi started the season I said we are an unserious franchise, and it’s not because Svi doesn’t help this current team win more games. We are unserious because we’re trying to win 30 games instead of 25 at the expense of player development. You can even take the whole tanking thing out of the picture. If we assume we had no pick at all, I’d still find this to be dumb for the franchise.
Tremendous Upside
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What a bizarre game, but a W is a W.
- To start, I'd like us to have a moment of silence for Keyonte. My man kept dying on those same high screens again and again like he was Tom Cruise in "Edge of Tomorrow". It was a massacre. He didn't do any better guarding Brown 1-on-1, but his scoring kept us in the game. We got the full Keyonte experience! (He was also -11, which takes some doing when you score 31 points on 9/16 shooting.)
- Signs of life from Walt. He's still a total non-entity defensively, but had cut down on the dumbass freelancing considerably. His ability to stay calm on offense really helped the Jazz in some hectic situations.
- Boston had a game plan for Lauri and it was like "Yeah, we'll take our chances with Keyonte, Flip and Nurk trying to score". Markkanen was immediately quadruple-teamed when he got the ball inside the perimeter. The swarming worked, for the most part, because we couldn't hit out 3pt shots and Lauri kept bouncing the ball off various body parts of his.
- Flip has some heart.
- Harkless is a pretty terrible NBA player. His hustle can be useful in certain chaotic defensive situations where you have to chase the ball like crazy, but this man should never shoot or try to dribble the ball. He was trying his hardest to give the game away when he got too excited. Dude was also violently bullied by Brown 1-on-1.
- Overall, it was a gutsy effort by the Jazz, considering we were facing such awesome physical specimens as Luka Garza, Payton Pritchard, Sam Hauser and Derrick White.
- To start, I'd like us to have a moment of silence for Keyonte. My man kept dying on those same high screens again and again like he was Tom Cruise in "Edge of Tomorrow". It was a massacre. He didn't do any better guarding Brown 1-on-1, but his scoring kept us in the game. We got the full Keyonte experience! (He was also -11, which takes some doing when you score 31 points on 9/16 shooting.)
- Signs of life from Walt. He's still a total non-entity defensively, but had cut down on the dumbass freelancing considerably. His ability to stay calm on offense really helped the Jazz in some hectic situations.
- Boston had a game plan for Lauri and it was like "Yeah, we'll take our chances with Keyonte, Flip and Nurk trying to score". Markkanen was immediately quadruple-teamed when he got the ball inside the perimeter. The swarming worked, for the most part, because we couldn't hit out 3pt shots and Lauri kept bouncing the ball off various body parts of his.
- Flip has some heart.
- Harkless is a pretty terrible NBA player. His hustle can be useful in certain chaotic defensive situations where you have to chase the ball like crazy, but this man should never shoot or try to dribble the ball. He was trying his hardest to give the game away when he got too excited. Dude was also violently bullied by Brown 1-on-1.
- Overall, it was a gutsy effort by the Jazz, considering we were facing such awesome physical specimens as Luka Garza, Payton Pritchard, Sam Hauser and Derrick White.
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Shad
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Honestly, if we end this year with no pick and no playoffs, it might be the worst Jazz year in history. The last 3 years have been horrible and adding this year to that with that outcome would just show the fan base that they have no direction and no idea what they're doing.