Game Thread Nov 03, 2025 05:30PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Boston Celtics

[HadAnEffectHere]

Umm. We had the worst record on account of a Washington buzzer-beater to close the season. By the skin of our collective teeth were the Jazz able to maintain their position. The Jazz were able to lose a lot of close games by sheer willpower to tank.

These stupid close wins against bad teams are absolutely a problem.

We need a top 2 or 3 pick (depending on how many of Peterson, Boozer, and AJ turn out), our worst case scenario barely matters. I don't think our future was changed at all by the fact that we ended up with Ace instead of Tre or Fears.

 

[Step-Back Lauri]

If someone has time an drive to look up which players have been best matches with Lauri, it _could_ give more answers to who and how much Hardy plays each young or more experienced player. If there can't be reason found from there, then idk. He's after all the high paid player who could possibly fetch several good assets in a trade, so at this stage of the season I'd see that's the thing they need to focus on, and come trade or not, use the last third of season for fully embracing reps for rookies.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Umm. We had the worst record on account of a Washington buzzer-beater to close the season. By the skin of our collective teeth were the Jazz able to maintain their position. The Jazz were able to lose a lot of close games by sheer willpower to tank.

These stupid close wins against bad teams are absolutely a problem.

I think the Clips and Celts wins were teams that were asleep and got a little casual once they thought they had a win in the bag early. Celts also just such a high variance team since they shoot a crazy amount of threes. Was baffled when they took quick ones last night without testing the Utah defense at all. They had a really off night. I don't think our defense is greatly improved and will likely suck with Walker gone for a few games. I don't think Brown and Hauser go 1-17 from 3 very often.

It does kind of suck to win this one though. These early close wins came back to haunt us in the Wemby draft. You and I are both in the boat of wanting to be bottom 3 and I think they end up bottom 5 because they eff around a bit too much.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

I love all this beautiful talk about "player development", when the people loudly advocating for it really just want us to LOSE and preferably then draft a better kid to replace the ones we've been "developing".

Let's just cut the BS.

 

[KqWIN]

why would wanting to tank be something to hide lmao

 

[KqWIN]

I think the Clips and Celts wins were teams that were asleep and got a little casual once they thought they had a win in the bag early. Celts also just such a high variance team since they shoot a crazy amount of threes. Was baffled when they took quick ones last night without testing the Utah defense at all. They had a really off night. I don't think our defense is greatly improved and will likely suck with Walker gone for a few games. I don't think Brown and Hauser go 1-17 from 3 very often.

It does kind of suck to win this one though. These early close wins came back to haunt us in the Wemby draft. You and I are both in the boat of wanting to be bottom 3 and I think they end up bottom 5 because they eff around a bit too much.

You're thinking small, think about the accountability applied.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

why would wanting to tank be something to hide lmao

Hey, I'm fine with nobody mentioning "player development" ever again, since it's all crap anyway. Let's just call it like it is – you want this team to lose as much as possible, and since our young players are bad, giving them lots of minutes with zero accountability is a great way to achieve that.

It's all just a cynical game to get the next shiny toy.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Like I said earlier in the year. The year isnt about developing everyone. It's about figuring out who should be developed. If Brice gets left behind, he gets left behind.

 

[KqWIN]

Hey, I'm fine with nobody mentioning "player development" ever again, since it's all crap anyway. Let's just call it like it is – you want this team to lose as much as possible, and since our young players are bad, giving them lots of minutes with zero accountability is a great way to achieve that.

It's all just a cynical game to get the next shiny toy.

You caught me. I was so embarrassed to say that I want tanking and you saw right through my lies. Why would anyone think that playing time could be good to develop players when player development is in fact fake. Deep down in my heart how important playing Svi is to this franchise.

I hope others who are afraid can come out and admit they like tanking. It was very hard for me to come forward, and I'm sure it is for others.

 

[KqWIN]

I did not know that playing Svi was the hill people wanted to die on. Where was the Svi fan club last season?

 

[Flc]

At some point, there will probably be a roster shake-up. There are too many guys that need minutes right now, including Kyle Anderson and Georges Niang when he comes back. Neither Cody nor Brice have gotten meaningful minutes in the last couple of games.

I'm not so sure on, Kyle. Seems like he's relishing his bench-vet-player-coach role. Not sure if you caught it last night, but from his reactions he's highly, highly invested in Keyonte's development. No one was cheering him harder and giving him sideline coaching. Really cool to see.

 

[Tanktastic]

You guys act if punishment is the only way to develop players

What punishment? I've not seen anybody on the Jazz punished this season.

Even with no pick involved, the right move is prioritize the young player development. Our guys need reps, they do not need a shock collar. There is no amount of benching Ace that will help him develop more than reps.

"Just do reps" doesn't develop anyone. If there out there playing incredibly badly and losing by 40 night after night because of it, it will obviously hurt them. Possibly even long-term.

It's also hard to develop without minutes.

Who's the player that doesn't get any minutes?

Sensabaugh played 1400+ minutes last season, effing Cody played a 1000+. Collier 1800+, Flip 1500+. And Ace and Clayton will certainly get minutes this season as well. As they did last night, especially Clayton.

 

[KqWIN]

What punishment? I've not seen anybody on the Jazz punished this season.

This whole conversation is about whether or not benching players for poor play is better for their development.

"Just do reps" doesn't develop anyone. If there out there playing incredibly badly and losing by 40 night after night because of it, it will obviously hurt them. Possibly even long-term.

But getting reps does help a player. Feel free to disagree, but I have always seen playing time and opportunity as a key aspect to player development. You need experience to become experienced. When I see our young players play, I don't see a bunch of guys who need more accountability in order to be better. I mostly see guys who need more experience. I consider playing time as a resource and when you can it's always preferable to give those minutes to young guys instead of vets without a future when you're rebuilding.

Who's the player that doesn't get any minutes?

Sensabaugh played 1400+ minutes last season, effing Cody played a 1000+. Collier 1800+, Flip 1500+. And Ace and Clayton will certainly get minutes this season as well. As they did last night, especially Clayton.

Did I make a comment about prospects not playing enough last season? I made comments were about this season's priorities. If it was like last season I wouldn't be making these comments in the first place, would I? Prioritizing the W over player development is the disagreement I have with how things are being handled.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

The Will Hardy scheme finally worked to perfection last night

NBA tracking suggested 50 of Boston’s 51 3-point attempts vs. Utah were open or better (4+ feet of space from defender).

Celtics made just 9 of 29 (29%) wide-open 3s, and 2 of 21 (9.5%) of open 3s.