Archie Moses
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I'm not going to lie, I love Numberica's drive for the Jazz. Dude is passionate about the team.
Now is the time to start looking for your PG of the future
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The Thriller
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good point guards can be easily found in every draft at nearly any point in the draft. I'm not too worried about the PG position at all.
Lets focus on something a little tougher to find, good bigs/wings.
Lets focus on something a little tougher to find, good bigs/wings.
Scorpjazz
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Obviously not. Not easier, but far better.
vslice02
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While that's usually always the case, as far as I can recall the Jazz haven't given away cash considerations in a trade in the past decade and after paying $70 million in salary the past 2 seasons and with $61 million currently committed to next season - you have to think it's unlikely the Miller's would do such a thing - as much as I wish they would. JMO.
And my wiener. Just sayin.
Zerol
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I disagree. Many people say PG is not important for a championship team. I would say yes, but only for teams coached by Phil Jackson with superstars like MJ and Kobe, or for a team with 2 superstars who dominates the ball like LeBron and Wade. Since we don't have any of this, I would say PG IS important!
Look at the 4 remaining teams in the playoffs. Other than the Heat for the reason stated above, all 3 have an elite level PG (yes, Kidd is still elite). We have been brainwashed the past decade or so that the Lakers won 5 titles with Fisher at the point, but we forgot about the Spurs title teams with Parker, or the Piston team with Billups, or the Celtics team with Rondo. They may not be superstar PGs, but they were all-stars and they were very important to their respective title runs. And I agree with Numerica that Harris is not going to be that guy. But at the same time, I don't think any of the late first rounders can be that guy either.
Wiener? More like a kielbasa, thailor.
Hantlers
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Seems like some are be too hard on Harris right now.
Harris did come into a bad situation with Jazz.
Jazz lost best player and top coach, etc.
Maybe with start of new season he can fit in much better as Corbin changes offensive and defensive systems.
New players and fresh start for all could help Harris look much better.
Harris did come into a bad situation with Jazz.
Jazz lost best player and top coach, etc.
Maybe with start of new season he can fit in much better as Corbin changes offensive and defensive systems.
New players and fresh start for all could help Harris look much better.
Not my proudest moment, but moments where you snicker rarely are.
good thread.
but i wonder, if we pick kanter or williams at 3, whats the possibility of getting brandon knight with a trade to move up from 12 to somewhere between 4-8 (wherever knight is). In that case, i would prefer to get knight instead of only getting irving at 3
but i wonder, if we pick kanter or williams at 3, whats the possibility of getting brandon knight with a trade to move up from 12 to somewhere between 4-8 (wherever knight is). In that case, i would prefer to get knight instead of only getting irving at 3
If we can somehow get either Williams & Knight, or Kanter & Knight
I will change my username to KOC_is_GOD
If you post in the same thread as KOC BEGONELOLBBQASL, I'm pretty sure the board will crash.
theNBAnerd
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i just don't buy that he's "too old" for anything. most NBA players hit their prime in their late 20s/early 30s. devin is just heading into that phase, which means in all likelihood he's going to get better before he starts getting worse.
that doesn't mean he carries the jazz to a title, but it means he's got a better chance of helping the jazz stay relevant in the short term than some kid who gets drafted in the back third of a weak draft round. if darius effing morris is the jazz's starting PG they're going to win 20 games, and none of the young guys will learn anything from being a part of a team that sucky. if we could replace devin tomorrow with someone more capable of being both the short AND long term answer, then go ahead... but we can't, so you have to recognize that rebuilding doesn't happen overnight and that devin is a damn capable guy for the next phase of this effort.
Hope so. Somehow, when I look at Harris, I always get the feeling that he is just one more knee injury away from becoming a backup PG. Hope Iam wrong. Maybe if he develops his 3-pt shot better he could age slower. He can maybe take a leaf out of Kidd's book. For a non-shooter Kidd often makes big 3s when his team needs it
However I do agree with your overall point about the unlikelihood of being able to find someone in the lower 20s of the draft who could be better than Harris in the next 2-3 years.
(But the Jazz can also get the best PG at #3(as is being rumored right now) and then trade Harris+whoever for a good wing)
BetterThanESPN
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Give me Kemba Walker or Knight and I'll be happy.
In all likelihood? What players get better after 28 years old (besides maybe superstars)? When you look at his career, he very steadily rose to his peak two years ago and has been steadily descending since. He's not exactly an iron-man either, and again, he draws his entire game from his speed than from his strength or skill (things that don't age).
Isn't that the ultimate goal?
Players only learn from winning? What's in Devin Harris' resume that makes him a difference in that regard anyway? When he left Dallas, they got a little worse and then a whole lot better, and his experience with New Jersey was the total opposite (they got a little better, and then unbelievably worse [you know he's already been the SECOND-best player on one of the worst teams in NBA history, right?]). I've never heard of him described as a leader or heady player by anyone. Besides, it wouldn't kill the Jazz to get another good pick in what is touted as one of the stronger drafts in recent memory.
Don't pretend like the highlighted hasn't been the base of my entire ****ing point. Maybe Devin Harris does what most players don't and becomes a capable shooter late in his career all of a sudden (Jason Kidd is an exception that proves the rule), that would go a long way. Maybe he stops getting injured all of the time from running really fast (won't age well) and/or plowing into defenses (also doesn't age well). Maybe a lot of ****. I just don't think the smart money is moving into a rebuild with a guy that will be tickling 30 before we really even get started. I think it's fantasy to deem that wise.
But we obviously don't agree. Good talk.
P.S. I don't hate Devin Harris as a person or a player. I think he's good. I just don't see how the timeline with him works here. I also don't see how he works with Al or Kanter (if the Jazz pick him and he projects to be the player that he could).
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