NY's Proposed Ban on Large Sugary Drinks

[Stoked]

This is why religions fight so hard against gay marriage. Marriage is a religious ritual. If you allow the government to dictate marriage, then you now allow the government to dictate baptism, temple ordinances, Muslim prayers, etc.

You have to keep church and state separate.

p.s. that being said, anyone that isn't for "civil unions" is a bigot.

The government is already dictating marriage. They perform marriages and divorces. They set the laws governing both. If your policy on civil unions is sincere then you should be against marriage performed by government. Marriage should be done by religious denominations only and civil unions by the state.

If marriage can only be done bya religious denomination than there is nothing stopping the LGBT community from establishing a church of their own and getting married.

 

[One Brow]

This is why religions fight so hard against gay marriage. Marriage is a religious ritual. If you allow the government to dictate marriage, then you now allow the government to dictate baptism, temple ordinances, Muslim prayers, etc.

No church has been forced by the government to conduct an interracial marriage, and none will be forced to conduct homosexual marriages. If that is why religions are fighting (and I don't believe it is), they are fighting a non-existent threat.

 

[Gameface]

This is why religions fight so hard against gay marriage. Marriage is a religious ritual. If you allow the government to dictate marriage, then you now allow the government to dictate baptism, temple ordinances, Muslim prayers, etc.

You have to keep church and state separate.

p.s. that being said, anyone that isn't for "civil unions" is a bigot.

But what religions are asking government to do is uphold their specific religious standards in regard to marriage. I haven't seen a movement to take control of marriage licensing and recognition out of the hands of government. Quite the opposite, really.

 

[Surely]

No church has been forced by the government to conduct an interracial marriage, and none will be forced to conduct homosexual marriages. If that is why religions are fighting (and I don't believe it is), they are fighting a non-existent threat.

There is a story out there about a photographer in New Mexico who was sued by a lesbian couple for saying she didn't want to "shoot" their wedding. It went to the NM supreme court where they ruled that she had to. With rulings like this I don't find it that hard to imagine gay people suing churches to perform their weddings and winning.

 

[green]

There is a story out there about a photographer in New Mexico who was sued by a lesbian couple for saying she didn't want to "shoot" their wedding. It went to the NM supreme court where they ruled that she had to. With rulings like this I don't find it that hard to imagine gay people suing churches to perform their weddings and winning.

IF gay marriages are made legal, it will only be a matter of time before the LDS church shuts down temples because they won't perform gay marriages. THAT's why they are fighting it so hard. Extremists (on both sides) don't want freedom for everyone, they want freedom to make you do what I want to do.

 

[One Brow]

There is a story out there about a photographer in New Mexico who was sued by a lesbian couple for saying she didn't want to "shoot" their wedding.

A photographer is not a church. If she had been running a diner, should she have been able to refuse to serve them food? Churches are constitutionally protected as long as they only serve their congregation. Organizations that serve the public are required to serve everyone (and can receive public monies to do so, where appropriate).

 

[One Brow]

IF gay marriages are made legal, it will only be a matter of time before the LDS church shuts down temples because they won't perform gay marriages.

If they do, they are being stupid. LDS temples are not places for public weddings.

 

[Stoked]

IF gay marriages are made legal, it will only be a matter of time before the LDS church shuts down temples because they won't perform gay marriages. THAT's why they are fighting it so hard. Extremists (on both sides) don't want freedom for everyone, they want freedom to make you do what I want to do.

I think that is quite a stretch. If the government tried to force gays on a religion (that is not what they are doing with gay marriage and to say so is nothing more than political crap) through forcing churches to marry homosexuals or forcing homosexuals into the clergy of a religion you would see the **** truly hit the fan. I believe that is something that would create mass riots, civil unrest, violence...in short chaos.

 

[Nate505]

Actually, not sure if it has passed yet or not but NYC had proposed that small personal use quantities of pot are "legal" (small fine, no jail time/sentence) in NY so pot would be OK in NYC, a Big Gulp illegal.

EDIT: It is actually a state wide proposal, not just NYC.

Getting fined when breaking a rule hardly makes something legal.

 

[Nate505]

So because you are willing to allow one stupid, freedom trampling law you are willing to allow others? That is dangerous stance.

This is idiotic and very symbolic of the nanny state that the far left wishes to create. If an individual wants to buy a giant soft drink then they have every right to do so. Idiotic proposal.

Thank god the far right gave the far left the blueprint to create a totalitarian state.

 

[TroutBum]

The only thing I learned from this thread is that "green" might just be the dumbest poster on this site. And that's really saying something.


That's all I've got. Cheers.

 

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Pretty hilarious to hear all the folks here in Utah from the right get their panties in a twist over this. Yet they ignore the ridiculous over regulation of alcohol found in our very state. Repubs and Demos all do stupid things. They both enjoy extending government into their issues.