Unless the thunder come at us with a god father offer of picks for Lauri I wouldn't trade him right now. Also we would definitely not being doing him a disservice by staying patient and focusing on our young guys. I swear some of you guys never learn your lesson and always want to take a shortcut to get better regardless of if that shortcut leads to a team that maxes out below a championship contender. I would much rather build this thing right and deal with growing pains over the next couple years with the hope of building a legit championship contender rather than making a couple win now moves for older guys that get us in playoff contention but definitely not championship contention. As long as Lauri sees that there is legit young talent around him that can grow into something then I think he will be fine with staying patient and building the right way. That entails figuring out what we have though and that means giving all our youngsters consistent minutes. If with those minutes they don't look good and aren't showing a lot of potential then that makes the Lauri decision a hell of a lot easier because that signals a more extensive rebuild and that is when you shop Lauri. On the other hand if Keyonte looks like a possible star, Kessler looks really good with those minutes and 2 of Ochai, Hendricks and Sensabaugh show solid role player potential then you know you have some key building blocks in place and you make moves to fill the voids. The process of finding all of those guys minutes is also pretty easy this year with Clarkson and Olynyk being very tradeable and I think we can get a positive asset back for them. Then we move one of THT or Sexton and there are plenty of minutes for everyone.
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I'm being a bit snarky, and yeah, it's early. However, Collins needs to prove to defenses that they should go out and guard him and not just close out. The burden of proof falls on him based on his past. So far, he's one of the reasons why the paint is crowded, since his defender can hedge 10 feet off of him. He hasn't made them pay. I get that he plays defense and rebounds.
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HermanG
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Fair enough and I agree about him needing to prove his shot is back.
FWIW, he hasnt missed by much. 2 swishes, 1 lucky make, 1 in-and-out and other misses mainly off of inside rim.
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SoberasHotRod
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I get it. I think THT was mostly good in our second game though, and kind of evenly good and bad in his first game. So he's really only had one really bad game. But yeah, Keyonte is our future point guard, it's clear.
One of my least favorite things on this board is scapegoating though, so I'm not looking forward to that.
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The THT experience can't be reduced to individual games or plays. He's a guy who functions in his own little bubble of delusion, following his own set of rules, and has an oversized negative effect on how his team plays. THT doesn't seem to give a ****, which is fantastic 10% of the time. The rest of the time it's terrible.
That also makes him the perfect tank commander for a team that needs one, which is probably something Danny realized early on.
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Yes, he rebounds, but Collins is one of the worst defenders on this team.
I mean, he's literally never been known as a defender. I have no idea why that rep would suddenly go away when he joins the Jazz.
On offense, I'm more or less happy with him so far, even though though his shooting has been erratic. At least he doesn't do dumb **** like the 3-headed guard monster.
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I'd prefer to slough the pick off and free up later ones.
It was a terrible day to be a Utah sports fan. Wasted Saturday.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I don’t even know why we traded for Collins bloated contract
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Yeah and I don’t even know who to fault. I mean where’s the P n’R action? Just a lot of standing around and then Iso stuff - totally pathetic!
And can somebody please tell Sexton that he’s only six foot tall? His shot selection and seeming belief that he can shoot over much taller opponents is just incredible to me at this level. After so many B-ball sandwiches you’d think he’d learn.
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For me it is clear cut - whenever the guard action is subpar it affects the whole unit in both ends of the floor. In a word it is demoralising. When the guards are as bad as THT last night or others at times it kills the feeling to do cuts and move etc. bc there is no consistent floor general. And bc most of NBA talents live through offensive moments it starts affect the defensive output as well. It gets the energies down to floor.
Release the Kraken
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You’re 100% correct. It is deflating when certain ball handling parties seem to be sabotaging the offense. But how much of this comes down to incompetence as opposed to poor preparation. It just seems like we were 100% more prepared last season coming out of camp than we are this season.
I know we miss Conley so far but NAW also starts for the wolves in a ball handling capacity as well. Did we actually let our two best ball handlers get away at the deadline last season for one lousy protected pick? Let’s hope not.
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Hey, we night get 2 picks from that trade!!!
Actually our backcourt of tht/jc is performing much better than mike/naw. First 2 games stats
Mike/naw - 32pts/15reb/13 asst/ 4/19 from 3 21%/ 5TO/ 4 steals
THT/JC - 59 pts/15reb/24 assist/ 9/19 from 3/ 47%/ 7TO/ 4 steals
Wolves lost to raptors then beat a butler less heat. We lost to kings (Hardy’s experiment) and beat clips. Suns is b2b so not fair to include that.
Bawse Dawg
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It's fair to give context, but we're just completely throwing out b2b's now? Every team has lots of back to backs throughout the year...
Is this young legs team getting worn down playing their third game of the season on a back to back? That's not good.
HermanG
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Plus it was the 3rd game for Suns as well who had 1 day of rest advantage but on the other hand missed 2 of their 3 best guys.
wolves haven’t played their 3rd game yet