The Thriller
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The main problem with missing the playoffs is now we have to sift through endless amounts of stupid trade proposals. Sigh gonna be a long off season.
Offer Middleton the Max and then Trade Burks, 12th pick and GSW '17 pick for top 6 pick.
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audacious3ball
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I think people are forgetting how good a healthy Burks can be. He can get to the rim very well and draw fouls. Plus he is a pretty good at the catch and shoot from 3. Why should we get rid of him for a rookie unless its top 3 or 4 in this draft. He has already shown he belongs in this league and the Jazz will really benefit from his play next year I think.
I think at this point it's a discussion about whether Burks or Hood makes their teammates better vs. needing a deadly scorer on the perimeter. We still don't know what we have in Burks, let alone Hood. It's wait and see.
There's a downside to waiting 1 more season on Exum? It's not like quality point guards are in high demand these days.
At this point any major salary additions will have to be big. Like super star big. Which would most likely result in a trade which would involve some of our assets. Considering what we know about some of these guys and their potential, it's going to have to be a major addition for the Jazz to move IMO. The case for staying pat is very strong.
framer
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The thing I find amusing is that some people think that they have stumbled upon some great secret about the salary cap rising. If average Joe Messageboad knows this, so do team executives. Its not like the front office of Milwaukee is going to be taken by surprise after they fail to match Middleton. "You mean if we had matched Middleton last year his salary would have been a DEAL under the new cap?!! Why didn't anyone tell us this? Jim, did you know about the new salary cap thing?" Milwaukee has a lot more pieces to gather than the Jazz do. Why in the world would they not match the highest offer and walk away laughing? Obviously if we think he is worth a lot of money, his current team does as well. The Bucks don't have a plan B for Middleton. They are going to match. The Blazers have a plan B for Matthews, and the Hawks HAD a plan B for Carroll until Sefalosha broke his leg resisting arrest and being an idiot. Suddenly it looks a lot like Carroll will be a priority for the Hawks. Or maybe the Hawks haven't heard about the new salary cap. . .
green
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Utah was hoping to sign Hayward for less than the max.
Milwaukee knows with the cap rising, that Middleton will get the max.
What will happen:
12:01 ET, Milwaukee calls Middleton's agent and says, here is the most we can offer. His agent will say, "OK."
Maybe, MAYBE, they try to negotiate for a PO after two years. Maybe they push for another year. BUT, they most likely won't talk to any other teams.
There's even less of a chance Leonard and Butler make it that far.
What's most likely is that all three players are on vacation, the calls are made at 12:01 ET, and the agent calls the player at 2 pm the next day to set up a time to sign the deal when the player returns from vacation.
Milwaukee knows with the cap rising, that Middleton will get the max.
What will happen:
12:01 ET, Milwaukee calls Middleton's agent and says, here is the most we can offer. His agent will say, "OK."
Maybe, MAYBE, they try to negotiate for a PO after two years. Maybe they push for another year. BUT, they most likely won't talk to any other teams.
There's even less of a chance Leonard and Butler make it that far.
What's most likely is that all three players are on vacation, the calls are made at 12:01 ET, and the agent calls the player at 2 pm the next day to set up a time to sign the deal when the player returns from vacation.
I think you are misreading the dynamic this summer by assuming that the landscape will change AFTER the salary cap goes up. The landscape will change BEFORE the salary cap goes up. You seem to be saying that teams have an advantage to sign players before the salary cap goes up. You seem to be assuming that the players and their agents are not thinking ahead and running scenarios and game theory on maximizing their long-term value.
The cap moves from 67m to 89M, so a 25% minimax goes from ~$17m to ~$22m. So the only reason for the Kawhi's of the world to sign a 5 year minimax is to protect against injury. If he signs a 1 year deal worth 17M (or if he does not get this, signs the Q0) and then gets the $22m the following year. The same thinking applies to non-max players. The players have the leverage to hold out for better longer-term deals. Front offices do not have leverage this year, the power shifted to players as soon as the new cap was announced.
Markets move on information about the future. They do not wait for the future to happen to adjust.
If Middleton believes he can get a new max next year, why would he sign an old max this year and forego $5m per year?
framer
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Middleton would be wise to sign a max offer if it comes this year. He isn't really worth 20 million and the free agent competition will be a lot heavier next year.
Bawse Dawg
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You want to discuss how bad this thread is? Well if you insist...
Terrible thread, terrible opinions, just stop.
Terrible thread, terrible opinions, just stop.
I think the Bucks traded Brandon Knight, so they have room to offer Middleton a big contract. I think they see their core threesome a Giannis, Kris, and Jabari. Ultimately Giannis and Jabari may not be able to play together long term since they're both natural SFs, but either will net a big piece in a trade.
Batman
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I think the fact that he's efficient kind of brings down that argument. He's certainly not a good stats bad team guy. Those guys are inefficient or have some huge hole in their game (Like Kanters pick and roll defense.)
Plus, the advanced analytics make Middleton look like he's part God (Part Hayward, essentially).
Bucks aren't even a bad team...
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freakazoid
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No, I'm not misreading anything. Of course GMs have already been adjusting for the expected jump, but they still have to work under the current cap. Starting next year, everything changes because almost everybody will have more money to spend, and the same story for the year after. Opportunities are obviously already limited, but the situation only gets worse, which is why standing pat is not a wise strategy. Utah may very well stand pat for the most part, but it won't be because that's the plan, it will be they simply can't find the right opportunity. Just the same, it is without a doubt to our advantage to add assets NOW if the opportunity is there.