Please take a side! Next PG for the Jazz out of the 2012 draft.

[The Thriller]

I voted for 'others'. Marshall is slow and Rivers isn't a PG.

PKM, what have you heard about Harrow? I really liked him when I caught him on the AAU circuit, but I'd need to see him do well at UK to consider him as the future of the Jazz at the PG position. His frosh year at NC State was underwhelming, to say the least.

I've said it in a few threads, and I'll say it again, there aren't any intriguing point guards in college that I've seen. We need to get one via trade/free agency. Our top target should be Ty Lawson, but there are about 5 more realistic-ish possibilities that would make us a playoff contender with their addition. I say if we end up in the lotto this year, trade both picks to denver for Ty.

It's interesting that people keep calling Hornacek as some kind or miracle worker.

I would hate to base a lotto pick and our future on someone who has some nice skills but will need to rely on Hornacek pulling a miracle out of his *** for the kid to really fulfill his potential.

Speaking of Hornacek, if he can't teach our current batch how to shoot, why would Marshall all of a sudden become great/good shooter under Hornace? You would all think that Hayward, Howard, CJ, Harris, etc would all be shooting 'better" because of Hornacek, right? Yet, quite the opposite is true.

For me, lets rely on what a player does already. Lets not base our judgments off hypothetical situations (example: well, what if Hornacek teaches the guy to shoot?). Lets draft the BPA and not rely on Hornacek to teach this guy skills that he should have ALREADY learned. IMO, if we need Hornacek to teach x player how to shoot, then we need to take a real hard look on whether he truly is the BPA. We should also explore avenues of trading away the pick/packaging it up for something better. But lets be real folks, Hornacek's influence has been little if anything on our shooters.

 

[Dr. Jones]

^^^ yup

 

[Hantlers]

Am I the only person that think that players like Mark Jackson would not do as well in today's NBA? He was a physical player, which you really can't do anymore. He wasn't very fast, most teams like to run a lot more. I dunno, just putting some thoughts out there.

 

[The Thriller]

Am I the only person that think that players like Mark Jackson would not do as well in today's NBA? He was a physical player, which you really can't do anymore. He wasn't very fast, most teams like to run a lot more. I dunno, just putting some thoughts out there.

Yep.

But a lot of fans here are still living in the early 90s.

 

[Bodhi]

These. That's what I've been saying/hoping for ... Pick up a SF and then the BPA .. Analyze the personnel, then make a play for a PG via trade or FA. We get this draft right and all of a sudden we'll have PG's more than willing to take the keys to this team.

Fully agree, dont take a PG just for the sake of picking one, and in the process miss on a better overall player. We have assets, lots of assets, we should be able to turn those into an NBA stater level PG.

 

[orangello]

Am I the only person that think that players like Mark Jackson would not do as well in today's NBA? He was a physical player, which you really can't do anymore. He wasn't very fast, most teams like to run a lot more. I dunno, just putting some thoughts out there.

The game has changed. I agree that Jackson would be a back up PG in this league today. The game has sped up and players have to be skilled in more than one area in order to survive today.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

The couple of youtube vids I saw of Machado's offense, didn't really sell me on him being able to run an NBA offense.

But hey, I haven't seen him play in a game....he would be a nice 2nd round pick.

Were they vids from this years games, or last year? That will make a difference because like (someone) said, he's a much different player this year.
I also read something about him playing with a national team, and deciding to get into shape as to conditioning. See what happens when you gain a work ethic and add that to talent.

I have a hunch he will be pretty good, but I also want to see more in the tournament when I can watch him in a real game and see the flow.

 

[Stoked]

I really hope they get this draft right. This could make a full team out of a young core. Then I agree with the other posts. If you have all the pieces in place then some PGs will be more then willing to become the leader to this huge batch of talent at every position.

 

[Hantlers]

Allow me to impersonate ..

Marshall is the best PG I've seen in a while. His pin-point passes are stellar. Having said that, I also agree with anyone else (regardless what they believe) that Rivers could be great, and others as well.

I was re-reading this and somehow missed this one...fricken awesome.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYuzba7XPZk

There's no sound but at least it's recent.

 

[Hantlers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYuzba7XPZk

There's no sound but at least it's recent.

Thanks for that, I appreciated being able to see him play. There were several things I liked and disliked.

I liked his defense, he plays smart, almost always in the right position, quick hands. Plays good help defense as well. I like his shot, pretty good form, quick release, and it goes in most of the time. He's a patient player, which is something I really like out of a PG, he knows when to go and when to slow down. Shows a high bball IQ. I also thought it was interesting how it seemed like he was playing the high in the high-low sometimes, don't see that a lot with a PG.

I don't like his driving ability, I mean, it's alright for college, but I don't think it will translate to the next level. I didn't like how it seemed like more than half of his assists came simply from driving and kicking out for a 3-point shot. It works a lot better in college than it ever does in the NBA...I know it's only one game, but I'm assuming most of their games are played like that, and it leads to an inflated assist number. Nothing about him really ever stood out to me, he just seems like an average player at best in the NBA to me.

 

[Hantlers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfg2n2LNpN0&feature=relmfu

Here's a video diary of Damian Lillard for those of you who are interested.

This guy is really growing on me, has an incredibly quick shot and he's a great shooter. Has a pretty good handle, average athleticism but plays in a crappy conference. I think he'll be a starter on the next level, just another guy to look at in the upcoming months.

 

[Beantown]

I do like Rivers but he seems like he will have Carmello disease in the NBA.

 

[Bodhi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfg2n2LNpN0&feature=relmfu

Here's a video diary of Damian Lillard for those of you who are interested.

This guy is really growing on me, has an incredibly quick shot and he's a great shooter. Has a pretty good handle, average athleticism but plays in a crappy conference. I think he'll be a starter on the next level, just another guy to look at in the upcoming months.

Only thing I'd argue with a little is his athleticism......I personally think its a little above average, but I love the kid and want him on the Utah Jazz Basketball team roster.

 

[Weezur]

Were they vids from this years games, or last year? That will make a difference because like (someone) said, he's a much different player this year.
I also read something about him playing with a national team, and deciding to get into shape as to conditioning. See what happens when you gain a work ethic and add that to talent.

I have a hunch he will be pretty good, but I also want to see more in the tournament when I can watch him in a real game and see the flow.

Thanks for finding a vid of him...the ones I saw were terribly recorded and I'm not sure if they were this year or last year.
That being said, this video makes me want to draft him as a 2nd round even more. I think he's got a good future...he has a strong build, and his body reminds me of Deron's and he's got a neat shot and plays good defense.

However...
I don't know about that offense...I'm just worried that a lot of his assists are coming from him driving into the lane and kicking out. Those are assists that won't happen in the Jazz. That's also how most PG's nowadays are assisting...but you have to have elite speed to do it.
Even then, I wonder if he'll run a Jazz system better because it's a better offense or not.

The difference between Marshall and Machado is
@0:02, the guy is waving for the ball
Marshall would've passed to him as he was running toward the hoop (from what I've seen)
That's enough different to get that guy's shot blocked in the NBA versus a layup in college.

 

[freakazoid]

For those of you that are voting "other" please list who you are talking about.

I voted other, because I'm expecting BPA, and I don't believe that will be the case with either of these guys. I think Utah will address the PG position through FA or a trade.

 

[spycam1]

I voted other, because I'm expecting BPA, and I don't believe that will be the case with either of these guys. I think Utah will address the PG position through FA or a trade.

Our own pick will likely be between 12 and 14, in which case Rivers would probably be the BPA, imo.

 

[freakazoid]

Our own pick will likely be between 12 and 14, in which case Rivers would probably be the BPA, imo.

Lots of things can and will change by the time the draft rolls around. As of now, I'm hoping Utah can pull off two top ten picks, even if that just means somebody falls to us that was projected higher. Either that, or maybe we trade up, but I'm hoping we can do better than Rivers.

 

[orangello]

Lots of things can and will change by the time the draft rolls around. As of now, I'm hoping Utah can pull off two top ten picks, even if that just means somebody falls to us that was projected higher. Either that, or maybe we trade up, but I'm hoping we can do better than Rivers.

Two top ten picks in this draft would be amazing for this team. If that is the case then we can land a great SF and another great player. I believe that Rivers stock will rise during the tournament.

 

[Justys]

I picked other, I'd really like to see the Jazz get S. Curry from G.S. And I would really like to see the Jazz have 2 top ten picks next year too. What is everyones feelings about Dragic? He has shown that he is pretty good when giving the minutes. I think that could be a great pick up by the Jazz either at the trade deal line this year or next summer.