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Police Power and Racial Tensions in Ferguson, Missouri

What I see as tragic accidents or inept officers with poor training/judgement, you see as veiled racism. Are there undoubtedly bad cops who target black people, Hispanic people, Jews, etc.? Of course there are, but I believe there are 999 good guys for every rotten *** wipe.

Targeting requires an intention to target, which I am not claiming exists (as you already know). Talking about people who intend to discriminate is a distraction from the real issue, one that allows people generally, and you specifically, to keep a distance between yourself and what you see as the supposed real racists.

I don't see 911 being called on white people who are carrying around toy guns inside of Wal-Mart. When police are called out on white people carrying guns (such as when they are pointing real guns at passing cars on the highway), I see police taking a moment of time to assess the threat before they open fire. Black people don't get that moment, all too often, because a black man is more inherently threatening in our culture.

Ok. We disagree, no sense in continuing to argue.

Arguing works better with evidence, certainly.

Indeed, that is odd. Of course, I didn't say that, or even hint that death is an appropriate penalty. Thank you for putting words in my mouth ala HighlandHomie though, it really makes me want to see your point of view.

When you say Brown's actions made him responsible for his own death, when you put the onus on Brown to avoid being shot as opposed to an onus on Wilson to not shoot, you are indeed implying what happened was fair and appropriate.

Do you disagree with the statement that people who commit crimes have a better chance of being shot by police than those who don't?

I would agree that is true for you and me to a very significant degree. It's a lot less true for black men.
 
Targeting requires an intention to target, which I am not claiming exists (as you already know). Talking about people who intend to discriminate is a distraction from the real issue, one that allows people generally, and you specifically, to keep a distance between yourself and what you see as the supposed real racists.

I seriously have no idea what you're saying here. None.

I don't see 911 being called on white people who are carrying around toy guns inside of Wal-Mart.

That's because you only focus on the infinitely small percent of rating-inducing "news" that you see on tv and read about in your favorite blogs. Here's a news flash for you OB, people of all shapes, sizes, and color get mistreated by authority figures everyday. Those same people also fall to bad luck, just like you and me, every day. Unless of course you're implying that cops have never shot and killed a white guy before, which, ****, who knows.

When police are called out on white people carrying guns (such as when they are pointing real guns at passing cars on the highway), I see police taking a moment of time to assess the threat before they open fire. Black people don't get that moment, all too often, because a black man is more inherently threatening in our culture.

You "see" that a lot, huh? In movies? Or are we going back to that infinitely small percentage of crimes that are sensationalized by the MSM for bleeding heart woogets to lap up, which allows them to feel like one of the good guys at the end of the day?

Arguing works better with evidence, certainly.

So sayeth the King of "My opinion > Science", and it was well.

When you say Brown's actions made him responsible for his own death, when you put the onus on Brown to avoid being shot as opposed to an onus on Wilson to not shoot, you are indeed implying what happened was fair and appropriate.

Again, thank you HH for once again putting words in my mouth. It's a shame that Brown had to die, that Wilson is now in hiding for his life, that idiots decided to burn and loot their own city, and that not a single person in that whole mess is taking responsibility or accountability for their stupidity.

I would agree that is true for you and me to a very significant degree. It's a lot less true for black men.

Why can't you just answer the question? Why do you feel the need to twist everything to your angle? Here's a clue: if you have to answer a question with a question, or give a wrong answer with an explanation, you're probably wrong. You're wrong.

I'm still waiting on that little yellow midget to respond:
While I'm here, is there anything more obnoxious than a liberal dick weed from California who has the temerity to lecture the board about how we can't really know how it is because we've never "lived there" -- right after he insults us by using terms like Mormon Curtain. I wasn't aware that you lived in Utah, Dick. Thanks for your outstanding contributions.
 
I seriously have no idea what you're saying here. None.

I'm saying that most of the racism that occurs in this country is from unconscious bias. Generally, the more certain you are that you are not biased, the more likely you are to behave in a biased fashion.

Here's a news flash for you OB, people of all shapes, sizes, and color get mistreated by authority figures everyday. Those same people also fall to bad luck, just like you and me, every day.

I acknowledge and agree that we are discussing differences of degree, not kind.

You "see" that a lot, huh? In movies?

Nope. Guy in Missouri, and I don't recall saying that I see it a lot.

Again, thank you HH for once again putting words in my mouth.

Words have implications. If you don't like what others infer from your words, change your words or explain why the inference is wrong.

... that not a single person in that whole mess is taking responsibility or accountability for their stupidity.

Who should be taking responsibility?

Why can't you just answer the question? Why do you feel the need to twist everything to your angle? Here's a clue: if you have to answer a question with a question, or give a wrong answer with an explanation, you're probably wrong. You're wrong.

I answered the question very directly, but also pointed out that the answer is different in degree depending upon your skin color in America.
 
If breaking the law and resisting arrest were so bad, then why did Fox News slurp that welfare rancher?

Why is Bundy still alive (and free) while these others are dead?

What's the difference between Bundy and these others?

When can Bundy's *** finally be arrested? Can he also be shot or choked to death (without being indicted) by a black officer since he would undoubtably resist arrest? I'd love to see how this would play out! I'm totally sure trout and the rest of his convervative ilk would totally still defend the (black) police officer... Amiright?

The law is the law, right? And since playing with toy guns, walking down the middle of the street, and selling cigs are such great priorities, I expect Bundy's *** to be behind bars or pushing up daisys within 24 hrs.

Bundy needs to stop breaking the law, *******, right trouty?
 
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If breaking the law and resisting arrest were so bad, then why did Fox News slurp that welfare rancher?

Two words: Fox News.

Why is Bundy still alive (and free) while these others are dead?

This is about as ridiculous as it gets, folks.

What's the difference between Bundy and these others?

Well, for starters, they're not even close to being spelled the same...

When can Bundy's *** finally be arrested?

Not soon enough, IMO.

Can he also be shot or choked to death (without being indicted) by a black officer since he would undoubtably resist arrest?

I'm sure he could. If you willfully break the law, you are then willingly surrendering many of your rights and privileges to go along with your future date with gun toting cops. Right or wrong, any time you're dealing with someone carrying a gun, you run the risk of being shot.

I'd love to see how this would play out!

Because you thrive on this kind of inane absurdity.

I'm totally sure trout and the rest of his convervative ilk would totally still defend the (black) police officer... Amiright?

I'm sorry, you lost me at "Trout and his conservative ilk". I've been called many things, most of which I deserved, but rarely am I insulted like that.

The law is the law, right? And since playing with toy guns, walking down the middle of the street, and selling cigs are such great priorities, I expect Bundy's *** to be behind bars or pushing up daisys within 24 hrs.

It's nice to see your take on what has been happening in the world of scare tactic journalism these days; I was starting to wonder if you were alright.

Bundy needs to stop breaking the law, *******, right trouty?

Finally, the first non-idiotic thing to come out of your dump-riddled gob. That ******* DOES need to stop breaking the law.
 
[video=youtube_share;3hkpEaZC2f0]https://youtu.be/3hkpEaZC2f0

I love it when you here something like this from a black man.
 
[video=youtube_share;8pgNUFGmz3U]https://youtu.be/8pgNUFGmz3U


Weird.....

I thought cops had nothing to worry about, and criminals aren't dangerous.
Maybe this cop should have just tried talking to this gentle giant.
 
[video=youtube_share;gsCWK4XYHV8]https://youtu.be/gsCWK4XYHV8


This one is really baffling.....


The criminal had a gun, and wasn't just reaching for his waste line for no reason.


It's so crazy. I can't believe that happened.


For real though, how did he get into the car with gun? I thought the cops would have beat him down so hard that the gun would have fallen out before he got into the car.
 
This one is really baffling.....


The criminal had a gun, and wasn't just reaching for his waste line for no reason.


It's so crazy. I can't believe that happened.


For real though, how did he get into the car with gun? I thought the cops would have beat him down so hard that the gun would have fallen out before he got into the car.
1. Why wasn't he cuffed?
2. He must have had it tucked pretty good, Took him awhile to free it. And then it appears he needs to load it too. Cops probably felt him up and thought he was just happy to see them.
3. Also wondering why they tried to search him in the car. Once they secured the gun and cuffed him, they should have pulled him out. They eventually did. These cops were not the sharpest knives in the drawer and almost paid for it.

Actually, this video is really strange. The police car is moving, then is conveniently stopped right when the officer in the passenger seat raises up and looks back. There's no shout to the driver to stop the car or get out. Yet that's what happens and the driver is the one who gets the weapon from the other side.
 
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