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Raja Bell Sucks

He took just 4 shots and made 2 of them. Get over it.
There are guys on this team who are designated scorers, who get paid more and who fail more.

Bell is not even the 4th option. The likes of Millsap, AK and Miles are bigger culprits.

With both Deron and Al not being 100% tonight Millsap should have stepped up and delivered tonight.
 
Bell was never the answer anyway. Anyone who thought he would provide much more than leadership and a veteran presence was kidding themselves. Also anyone who thought Millsap could handle starting PF duties was also up in the night. We saw the year he took over for Boozer how he faded later in the year, and now we are seeing him somewhat fading now (at least in terms of consistency). That is why I advocate a change to the starting lineup to see if we can inject some life so we can enjoy the games leading up to our second round exit in the playoffs.
 
I was never that excited about getting Raja like many Jazz fans. Mainly, because I was pissed the Jazz let Matthews go but also because he is a shell of the player he was. I like his leadership but in the end he is a weak link offensively.

I think changes need to be made. First either Millsap or Jefferson need to go to the bench. My preference is Millsap simply because of his lack of size and the need for his offense on the bench. Millsap has struggle offensively lately because guys are making him play on the defensive end. If he is on the bench then he and CJ are the primary scorers.

Moving Millsap to the bench allows Jefferson to play at PF and to move either Okur or Fess in the starting lineup. I much prefer to have Okur in the starting lineup because of his height and outside shooting. If Fess starts (plays limited minutes) the Jazz seem to play better defensively. Our weak defense is a major reason why the Jazz start off slow. With a combination of Okur and Jefferson, the Jazz can play inside/out opening up the lane for DW.

The last change I would love to see is adding a player SG/SF who can create his shot and is tough minded.

My final thought was that Kris Humphries has come a long way. I thought he just killed the Jazz last night with his scoring off the bench. He is NJs best rebounder and he is a bench player (9.3).
 
I disagree with Cowhide on 1 point. I don't think it's our D that gets us behind in the 1st Q. I think it's effort and energy. Everybody but DWill is content with walking up the court and taking long jump shots to start the game. When these same 5 are on the court late in the game they hussle and run and get easy baskets on layups and dunks. There is no reason why they can't start the game that way other then plan laziness. It is time to revamp, Big Al drives me crazy but he's got more effort than the rest so he stays in with DWill. Everybody else can ride pine! Let Hayward, Miles and Memo show them what desire looks like.
 
cowhide said:
I was never that excited about getting Raja like many Jazz fans. Mainly, because I was pissed the Jazz let Matthews go but also because he is a shell of the player he was. I like his leadership but in the end he is a weak link offensively.

I think changes need to be made. First either Millsap or Jefferson need to go to the bench. My preference is Millsap simply because of his lack of size and the need for his offense on the bench. Millsap has struggle offensively lately because guys are making him play on the defensive end. If he is on the bench then he and CJ are the primary scorers.

Moving Millsap to the bench allows Jefferson to play at PF and to move either Okur or Fess in the starting lineup. I much prefer to have Okur in the starting lineup because of his height and outside shooting. If Fess starts (plays limited minutes) the Jazz seem to play better defensively. Our weak defense is a major reason why the Jazz start off slow. With a combination of Okur and Jefferson, the Jazz can play inside/out opening up the lane for DW.

The last change I would love to see is adding a player SG/SF who can create his shot and is tough minded.

My final thought was that Kris Humphries has come a long way. I thought he just killed the Jazz last night with his scoring off the bench. He is NJs best rebounder and he is a bench player (9.3).
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yeah, I brought this up yesterday in the game thread. Humphries would be a nice bench player for us and right now a much better rebounder than millsap. (Millsap better overall game though). I would like to see CJ and Memo start and Bell and Millsap to the bench. Millsap on the second unit will give us scoring inside which we lack right now with the second unit.
 
For $3M a year, the guy shoots over 39% from behind the ARC. I think he needs to take more shots, personally. His FT% is nice to have as well, and we all know he defends well. For what we pay him, he's worth it. But he should take more shots - he seems to only take shots he knows he can get off without a defender in his face. He could learn from D-Will, who shoots no matter where his defender is...
 
LogGrad98 said:
anyone who thought Millsap could handle starting PF duties was also up in the night. We saw the year he took over for Boozer how he faded later in the year, and now we are seeing him somewhat fading now (at least in terms of consistency). That is why I advocate a change to the starting lineup to see if we can inject some life so we can enjoy the games leading up to our second round exit in the playoffs.
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Are you saying put Sap in the second unit? Maby we take it a step more, take Ak out of the starting lineup, make him the backup sf bring in Elson to play ether c or pf and have Cj start play Ak and Sap starter minuts as 6th and 7th men off the bench.

Ak would play against crappier players and Sap can dominate the other teams #2 pf and, be the main offensive threat off the bench. At this point I don't know if it would work but who knows.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Are you saying put Sap in the second unit? Maby we take it a step more, take Ak out of the starting lineup, make him the backup sf bring in Elson to play ether c or pf and have Cj start play Ak and Sap starter minuts as 6th and 7th men off the bench.

Ak would play against crappier players and Sap can dominate the other teams #2 pf and, be the main offensive threat off the bench. At this point I don't know if it would work but who knows.
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Start Al and Okur and let Millsap come off the bench. It isn't rocket science. Okur can play the kind of minutes that Fess did in the playoffs last year.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Are you saying put Sap in the second unit? Maby we take it a step more, take Ak out of the starting lineup, make him the backup sf bring in Elson to play ether c or pf and have Cj start play Ak and Sap starter minuts as 6th and 7th men off the bench.

Ak would play against crappier players and Sap can dominate the other teams #2 pf and, be the main offensive threat off the bench. At this point I don't know if it would work but who knows.
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David Stern said:
Start Al and Okur and let Millsap come off the bench. It isn't rocket science. Okur can play the kind of minutes that Fess did in the playoffs last year.
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I like either one of these ideas. I just think we need a shakeup. I would even go this far:

D Will
Hayward
CJ
AJ
Okur

Bring in AK, Sap and Bell at the 2,3,4 with Sap getting starter minutes but against the second unit to start with. This gives the rookie some burn and helps him keep his confidence after he played pretty well then got DNP'd since. I think this infuses some life into the starting unit as well. You get all kinds of matchup problems on that second team for any other second unit in the league and we suddenly go from one of the worst to one of the best benches out there. I also think it would help CJ get a little more consistent as he has to play from the get-go under Deron's direction.

I don't know if this is really any better, or some variation, than what we have now, but to watch Sloan do his normal "you gotta play though it" thing while we lose game after game with no changes reminds me of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_Rome
 
LogGrad98 said:
I like either one of these ideas. I just think we need a shakeup. I would even go this far:

D Will
Hayward
CJ
AJ
Okur

Bring in AK, Sap and Bell at the 2,3,4 with Sap getting starter minutes but against the second unit to start with. This gives the rookie some burn and helps him keep his confidence after he played pretty well then got DNP'd since. I think this infuses some life into the starting unit as well. You get all kinds of matchup problems on that second team for any other second unit in the league and we suddenly go from one of the worst to one of the best benches out there. I also think it would help CJ get a little more consistent as he has to play from the get-go under Deron's direction.

I don't know if this is really any better, or some variation, than what we have now, but to watch Sloan do his normal "you gotta play though it" thing while we lose game after game with no changes reminds me of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_Rome
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I agree with this. This team needs a shakeup in a major way. AK, Bell and Millsap have all been disappointments this season and Bell's minutes in particular need to be maxed at 20. But Okur needs to be healthy for this to work.
 
gregbroncs said:
I agree with this. This team needs a shakeup in a major way. AK, Bell and Millsap have all been disappointments this season and Bell's minutes in particular need to be maxed at 20. But Okur needs to be healthy for this to work.
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True, but he could give 4 or 5 min to start the game the meter it from there. Just the threat of his 3 pt shooitng would spread the floor for AJ and D Will to work down low to get us a jumpstart. With CJ and Hayward in there too the 3 pt threat is even larger, and then memo and aj could work high-low in the post the way boozer and sap/okur did so well.

Either way we get a more energetic starting lineup, maybe starting games this way will help us get back on track.
 
Sloan has already confirmed he isn't going to change the line up for boston... even with the worst first quarter team its impossible to change the stubborn bastage's mind.
 
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