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Shad

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So the draft grades come out tomorrow (?)and where do you see us at?

I honestly don't see us getting higher then a D.
 
Including hill trade? B+. Only our picks? D+


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It's an F for me. We completely wasted 3 valuable assets (#12, #42 and #60), we made no moves to clear the bottleneck at PG, we got no future assets via trade. The best thing we got from the whole process was a third string PF (if he makes the team). It's the worst draft I've ever seen the team have.
 
It's an F for me. We completely wasted 3 valuable assets (#12, #42 and #60), we made no moves to clear the bottleneck at PG, we got no future assets via trade. The best thing we got from the whole process was a third string PF (if he makes the team). It's the worst draft I've ever seen the team have.

Worst draft we probably ever had was drafting Luther Wright in 1990? 1989? whenever that was. You can't say that 42 and 60 were vsluable assets at all. Worthless? No, valuable? Laughable.
 
Worst draft we probably ever had was drafting Luther Wright in 1990? 1989? whenever that was. You can't say that 42 and 60 were vsluable assets at all. Worthless? No, valuable? Laughable.

Every asset can be valuable if used the correct way. Would you call Isaiah Thomas a valuable asset to the Celtics? He was a 60th pick.
 
It's an F for me. We completely wasted 3 valuable assets (#12, #42 and #60), we made no moves to clear the bottleneck at PG, we got no future assets via trade. The best thing we got from the whole process was a third string PF (if he makes the team). It's the worst draft I've ever seen the team have.

I don't know how getting Hill is completely wasting the 12th pick.


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Every asset can be valuable if used the correct way. Would you call Isaiah Thomas a valuable asset to the Celtics? He was a 60th pick.

The Celtics didn't draft him, and ever since the NBA went to a 2 round draft (30 years?) there is ONE example of the last pick being a good player. Pretty low odds, so, yeah picks that low are not valuable.
 
I don't know how getting Hill is completely wasting the 12th pick.


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It's a waste because we could have just signed a similar combo guard in free agency without giving up anything. Mario Chalmers for instance.
 
The Celtics didn't draft him, and ever since the NBA went to a 2 round draft (30 years?) there is ONE example of the last pick being a good player. Pretty low odds, so, yeah picks that low are not valuable.

Several 2nd round picks have turned out to be good players. Arguing over how valuable is a matter of pov I guess. But either way it's bad asset management.
 
It's a waste because we could have just signed a similar combo guard in free agency without giving up anything. Mario Chalmers for instance.

Chalmers ruptured his achilles tendon last year and before then he didnt even come close to 40% from 3pt like hill did.
 
Several 2nd round picks have turned out to be good players. Arguing over how valuable is a matter of pov I guess. But either way it's bad asset management.

No, it isn't. It's easy to see if a player would be considered good or not. Just look at how many years they stay in the league, ezpz. No it's not bad asset management, what would you like the jazz to have done different?
 
It was not entertaining. Which is disappointing. My first thought was "we had all those picks - surely we could combine them to move up." But when other teams have a ton of picks too and this draft is considered kinda meh, our picks had no value. I kept looking at who we could offer our multiple picks for their one pick, but it seemed like it was always Boston picking - and they had a ton of picks already, that they wanted to get rid of too. I guess we should be impressed the FO was able to get some cash for jumping back. Although maybe it was only like a hundred dollars or so. This draft sucked. But I don't totally blame DL. There are things I have wished he'd done differently (letting Ty give two first round picks for Trey Burke - I wanted Shroeder, but woulda settled on McCollum or Antetukunpo), but I don't know that he coulda done much better tonight.

Here's hoping 2017 will be better.
 
It was not entertaining. Which is disappointing. My fist thought was "we had all those picks - surely we could combine them to move up." But when other teams have a ton of picks too and this draft is considered kinda meh, our picks had no value. I kept looking at who we could offer our multiple picks for their one pick, but it seemed like it was always Boston picking - and they had a ton of picks already, that they wanted to get rid of too. I guess we should be impressed the FO was able to get some cash for jumping back. Although maybe it was only like a hundred dollars or so. This draft sucked. But I don't totally blame DL. There are things I have wished he'd done differently (letting Ty give two first round picks for Trey Burke - I wanted Shroeder, but woulda settled on McCollum or Antetukunpo), but I don't know that he coulda done much better tonight.

Here's hoping 2017 will be better.

Exactly. This draft didn't have much for talent in it outside of the first 2 picks. The jazz traded a questionable #12 prospect for a good backup PG in Hill. It's refreshing to see that the Jazz are now moving forward and are looking to bank on the team they have than getting more young players to "bake". The second round picks to me are just icing on a cake. You never rely on them getting you anywhere so if you get a great player out of it, then its gravy. Most of the time those picks are garbage though.

Draft by itself C-, With Hill conisdered B+
 
No, it isn't. It's easy to see if a player would be considered good or not. Just look at how many years they stay in the league, ezpz. No it's not bad asset management, what would you like the jazz to have done different?

Trade them for future picks or draft euro's to stash. Yes, it's bad management. You don't waste picks on players you know for a fact will never make the team.
 
Chalmers ruptured his achilles tendon last year and before then he didnt even come close to 40% from 3pt like hill did.

Chalmers was just one example. The key factor here is, is George Hill THAT much better than Chalmers (or anyone else available in free agency) that you give up a lottery pick for him? No chance.
 
Chalmers was just one example. The key factor here is, is George Hill THAT much better than Chalmers (or anyone else available in free agency) that you give up a lottery pick for him? No chance.
1. There is no guarantee we can get Chalmers.

2. Hill is a top 15 starting PG .. Chalmers came off the bench last season.
 
Chalmers was just one example. The key factor here is, is George Hill THAT much better than Chalmers (or anyone else available in free agency) that you give up a lottery pick for him? No chance.

Name us that person we should have picked#12 and come back after 2 years to evaluate whether George Hill was worth it or not...Otherwise this would be a never ending debate.
 
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