Which portions of your real estate endeavors would you classify as corporate welfare?
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Which portions of your real estate endeavors would you classify as corporate welfare?
Nearly every tax increment involved project I would consider a welfare project, with a few exceptions.
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it matters because it is probably the strongest correlate to tens of societal problems, particularly in the context of public health (which is my realm of expertise). That is why I'm quite passionate in terms of addressing it.
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smh.
By tax increment are you referring to long term capital gains vs. ordinary income?
1031's?
Just trying to understand your definition as it's a subjective thing.
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ThEm PCes complaynng abt evrythng!!! LEev US ALONE
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1) Siro saying "We're taking measures to slow down climate change" is really a rather-misleading point. Again, posters in this thread like to approach issues in a binary manner-- addressing climate change, or inhibiting economic growth for the sake of worker welfare are not binary issues. There is a spectrum of what can be done-- and it's important that we constantly use our creativity to try and hit the perfect balance on as many issues as possible. While exhausting, it is necessary
2) this conception of America "not having any problems and PCs complaining about nothing" is simply rooted in privilege and narrow-mindedness, and is representative of why these problems have gone unchecked for so long in American society
3) The unwillingness for Americans to look to other countries' political actions (probably out of pride) for inspiration is rather hilarious, seeing as the very fabric of the nation's constitution was largely inspired by the ideas and systems of other nations. This self-sufficiency mindset is utterly non-American and will only damage the nation in the coming centuries
2) this conception of America "not having any problems and PCs complaining about nothing" is simply rooted in privilege and narrow-mindedness, and is representative of why these problems have gone unchecked for so long in American society
3) The unwillingness for Americans to look to other countries' political actions (probably out of pride) for inspiration is rather hilarious, seeing as the very fabric of the nation's constitution was largely inspired by the ideas and systems of other nations. This self-sufficiency mindset is utterly non-American and will only damage the nation in the coming centuries
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a very compelling argument/statement. Nothing asserts your intelligence quite like telling someone "well ur dumb!"
Speaking anecdotally, as per usual (it's the soc-con way). There are millions of Americans that do not have access to fresh produce on a consistent basis, and it leads to health disparities with potential to bankrupt your health care system. Look up the studies yourself if you don't believe me.
Another archetypical symptom of the soc-con mindset: a pure inability to think in non-binary means.
Also funny seeing how pro-choice you are all the sudden
note how choice isn't all one and the same, and how simplifying and polarizing discussions is a tool for the simpletons.
Tax Increment Financing? TIF? Municipal redevelopment areas created to generate tax increment, from local taxing entities, to incentivize real estate development, expansion and job creation. Familiar yes?
Edit: local tax incentive, not fed.
It's direct tax revenue contributed to projects that would most likely pencil otherwise. It's essentially a handout to developers to attract their projects. Our tax code has made community and economic development a race to the bottom, and developers are reaping the benefits while city's and school districts hope and pray that they bring the long term benefit and tax revenue down the road.
It's a great tool for struggling communities to attract investment. But regardless, it's a handout aka "welfare".
RandyForRubio
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a very compelling argument/statement. Nothing asserts your intelligence quite like telling someone "well ur dumb!"
Speaking anecdotally, as per usual (it's the soc-con way). There are millions of Americans that do not have access to fresh produce on a consistent basis, and it leads to health disparities with potential to bankrupt your health care system. Look up the studies yourself if you don't believe me.
Another archetypical symptom of the soc-con mindset: a pure inability to think in non-binary means.
Also funny seeing how pro-choice you are all the sudden
note how choice isn't all one and the same, and how simplifying and polarizing discussions is a tool for the simpletons.
Cool, you used some big buzz words, but you failed to address anything, per usual. Explain what you're going to do about the loss of jobs that come with loss of choice. And you and I both know the little jab about pro-choice was unnecessary and irrelevant. I'm pro-choice when it comes to jobs/business. When you consider something murder, it doesn't leave much room for choice. Now you probably haven't experienced this yet, but my father and I constantly have to deal with beaurecrats tell us how to run our business/manage our land. They even try to make laws to "help" us. Now unfortunately most of these people don't exactly know a lot about what they think they do, and just make things more difficult and more expensive, which makes it harder to make a profit, which makes it harder to pay employees well. You see, there's a bit of a trickle effect.
As for fresh produce, I too wish that we could all eat fresh produce. Some people grow gardens to help with that, btw. Even then, in certain places where the growing season only lasts 3 months, it's hard to get fresh produce for a decent price. Even I don't eat fresh produce year round. Anyways, our variety of choices leads to CHEAPER prices. Anyways, how do you expect to get enough fresh produce to the entire nation for a cheap price, when not that many states can grow produce year round, and one of the main states that does is having a water crisis? What is your solution Dala? Cut out the buzz words and actually try to get a logical point across, please and thank you. You're too smart to argue like this.
RandyForRubio
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I don't have produce to fresh produce on a consistent basis either (because I live in fuhreaking Montana), wish Dala would crusade for me.
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Lol. More vague "you're wrong cuz you're wrong" statements that don't really point out what is factually incorrect with any of the statements that I made.
More binary thinking.
Which goes to show why the whole concept of choice is incredibly more nuanced and complicated than youre making it out to be. Thank you for proving my point.
In other news, sky is blue. Of course the existence of cookie-cutter legislations across heterogenous landscapes and environments leads to inefficient bureaucracies. This is a discovery that would essentially surprise zero people with intellect. However, the persistence that there is some sort of "choice or no choice", or "bureaucracy or no bureaucracy" binary decision that people need to make is frankly stupid. These issues, like all issues, exist on a spectrum, and its up to us to determine how much regulation is necessary to allow individual agency while protecting the rights and capabilities of all citizens.
Some people grow gardens!??! HALT the presses!! Howard has solved a national crisis! Let's just tell ppl in inner-city Chicago or Detroit or the Bronx or LA to grow gardens. Problem solved.
/dontsaybuzzwordsDala
//endshispostinaseriesofbuzzwordsandvaguesleightsthatdontaddresanyofthepointsthatImade
Crises can be solved with an emphasis of eating with season, and eating locally-produced fruits, vegetables, and legumes, along with subsidies shifted away from certain big-agra projects (like corn, etc.) to healthier produce. Look at that, two simple solutions. Unfortunately this doesn't address the existence of food deserts, where communities literally don't have grocers opening up in their communities, and have to rely on eating fast food and convenience store food on a daily basis. But you're right!! they should just grow some gardens on their windowsill!!
RandyForRubio
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Well we've made progress, you've put in some ideas worth merit, but you still failed to answer how you would replace those jobs. Would be nice to hear a response on that.
Now then, I wasn't aware corn is now unhealthy. What else are we going to grow? Who's going to grow it? Who's going to pay for the different equipment required to plant and hsrvest these crops, or pay the extra people it takes to work them? How will we keep our land sustainable if we're pushing crops that can't grow there well? Speaking of seasonal eating, tell me more. What local, fresh produce can I eat when I live in a place where we have a 90 degree growing season? Last I checked, not many things grow well in below freezing weather that impacts most northern states.
Now we should have grocery stores in places where there aren't any. Do we need to legislate that though? And here's the other issue, most of those places are crime ridden. Are you willing to put up your own money to run a business in that type of environment? There are absolutely issues here, I don't disagree with that. I don't think that eliminating choices will have a positive economic impact though.
Now then, I wasn't aware corn is now unhealthy. What else are we going to grow? Who's going to grow it? Who's going to pay for the different equipment required to plant and hsrvest these crops, or pay the extra people it takes to work them? How will we keep our land sustainable if we're pushing crops that can't grow there well? Speaking of seasonal eating, tell me more. What local, fresh produce can I eat when I live in a place where we have a 90 degree growing season? Last I checked, not many things grow well in below freezing weather that impacts most northern states.
Now we should have grocery stores in places where there aren't any. Do we need to legislate that though? And here's the other issue, most of those places are crime ridden. Are you willing to put up your own money to run a business in that type of environment? There are absolutely issues here, I don't disagree with that. I don't think that eliminating choices will have a positive economic impact though.
RandyForRubio
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Anyways Dala, what I'm trying to get at is these ideas people want to implement have a lot of issues that make life more difficult for the majority of the people who deal with them. And this is just one industry. You think the rest are different? Like I said, people that don't understand how industries work are the ones trying to change them, and that's a big problem.
as to the first point,there is actually a big urban farming movement in many large cities - - particularly in Detroit where there is ample vacant land to utilize in this fashion
https://www.miufi.org/
https://detroitagriculture.net/
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/239844
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/detroit-urban-farming/
and many cities host Farmer's Markets during the summer/fall when growers in nearby rural areas come to sell their produce
and Detroit's Eastern Market is a well-known, long-standing institution that covers several city blocks and features fresh produce, products produced locally by small entrepreneurs and helps provide an infrastructure and assistance for networking and community involvement
https://www.easternmarket.com/
It's a step towards solving some of the problems faced by lower-income, urban residents - - many of them people of color.
You do realize you're being lumped in with the extreme far leftists as well as the far rightists, right?
Sarah Palin
Dalamon
Elizabeth Warren
Howard
Bernie Sanders
ElRoach
Donald Trump
There is no discernible difference in the M.O. of these types other than focus on a utopic end game. Tactics are the same, tunnel vision thinking is the same, inability to see the forest for the trees is the same. SHAKE MY HEAD.
CDFI Fund has lending programs targeted specially for food deserts. Co-op food pantries and groceries funded through these programs are starting to pop up in under served neighborhoods all over the country.
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