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Sanders starting to kick some HC... whatever

Howard said:
I think if we get Sanders and cut our defense spending way back, it will be interesting to see how it impacts other countries. Wars, terrorism, etc, it's not just going to go away. Other countries would have to spend more. Realistically, we should pull back a ton of our foreign support no matter who the president is...we shouldn't be policing the world.
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Our defense spending is a big reason why there's so much terrorism.
 
Howard said:
I think if we get Sanders and cut our defense spending way back, it will be interesting to see how it impacts other countries. Wars, terrorism, etc, it's not just going to go away. Other countries would have to spend more. Realistically, we should pull back a ton of our foreign support no matter who the president is...we shouldn't be policing the world.
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I agree
 
mellow said:
I guess not everyone bases there entire world view on how much it costs to put gas in the tank.
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You're right, it was a lazy response and I should be ashamed of myself. Just the same, I'm still very curious to hear why anyone thinks we were better off under the last Republican leadership than we are now. I'm also still waiting to hear why in the name of Pistol Pete you think the illuminati rigged things so that Obama would win the last two elections.

mellow said:
I'm not saying the ptb rig the elections, they just pick the candidates, and steer the talking points. So when the democrats fielded only two candidates and one of them was hillary and the other one makes hillary look Smart, Religous, and moderate...I am suspicious.

I am similarly suspicious when the republicans field a dozen candidates, but the front runner is a lifelong democrat who decided to run as a republican while behaving like a characterture of a republican as depicted by Democrats appealing to the people's fears.

The candidates around hillary make hillary seem like a good choice.
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I seriously would like to hear you expound as this. You claim not to be saying that elections are rigged, yet it sounds like you believe the Democrats are somehow controlling which candidates the republicans will choose. I'm sorry if I sound insulting, but it honestly sounds somewhat delusional to me.

IMO, I'd say the GOP is in a similar situation as the dems were with John Kerry trying to defeat Dubya. I don't believe for a second that this country wanted another term of Bush, but he won anyway because an unimpressive Kerry was the best the dems could come up with. So did the ptb fix that too, and now they've decided to switch parties, or how does that work? I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, so I'll try to keep an open mind.
 
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One last follow up. Let's be honest about this election. Republicans won't be voting for their candidate, they'll be voting against Hillary. That's why trump is leading the GOP. Not because republicans like him as a candidate, but because they're afraid he'll run as an independent and split the republican vote. There's no ptb conspiracy going on here. The GOP just doesn't really have a decent candidate right now to challenge the dems. When you consider that Dubya actually lost his first election to Gore and only became pres. on a technicality, the GOP has been in trouble for some time. Just the same, don't give up hope for your party. If dubya could get elected to a 2nd term, you can never take for granted the capabilities of the American voter.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Yeah, I remember the good ole days under Dubya when it cost me 50 bucks to fill up the tank on my 4 cylinder Honda accord. Good times. I can understand people complaining about certain things Obama has done as president, but I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would suggest that overall, things are worse now than they were under the last republican president. I don't see the GOP supplying anyone that would be a superior leader than what the dems have to offer. FWIW, I don't belong to either party, and although I lean left on more issues than not, I see problems on both sides and am suspicious of those who seem to defend/support either side unconditionally.
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I lean right on most issues. That's not the reason I have a problem with Cruz, Trump and Clinton. I think Clinton is a narcissistic liar. I think Trump is an egotistical power hungry idiot. I think Cruz is an accident waiting to happen. The candidate that I feel best about in this election cycle is Kasich. I am trying to learn more about him. He strikes me as an honest man who is sincerely interested in working with both sides in order to accomplish things.
 
franklin said:
And yet the world goes on progressing regardless of this type of boogyman fear syndrome.
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We are better off with good leaders. I was playing off the "Republican party will be done for" in the post I was responding to, though, so my statement probably does sound a bit more extreme than I feel.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
who is sincerely interested in working with both sides in order to accomplish things.
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I like the sound of this.
That is the characteristic I would like most in a candidate. I hate how divided this country is.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I lean right on most issues. That's not the reason I have a problem with Cruz, Trump and Clinton. I think Clinton is a narcissistic liar. I think Trump is an egotistical power hungry idiot. I think Cruz is an accident waiting to happen. The candidate that I feel best about in this election cycle is Kasich. I am trying to learn more about him. He strikes me as an honest man who is sincerely interested in working with both sides in order to accomplish things.
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Fair enough. Personally, I don't really like politicians in general, and see elections for the most part as trying to choose the lesser of evils. Regardless of how I feel about any single issue and which party sees things the way I do, I would always have reservations about supporting any party who is trying to sell trickle down economics. My biggest gripe with the country is corruption among the rich elite and their manipulation of laws in their favor at the expense of the American public. I have no doubts that individuals on both sides are vulnerable to becoming corrupt and abusing their positions for personal gain, but there's no question in my mind which party is more likely to enable such abuse.

I used to participate in these political discussions the first few years after I joined this board, but have intentionally avoided them since then as I have a hard time playing nice with others on such matters that I feel so strongly about. I got into some pretty heated disagreements with a few people here over our invasion of Iraq, and to this day it still absolutely irks me whenever someone defends that decision. Anyway, I am really curious to see how this next election plays out, as I believe the country is ready for a change in parties for the presidency, but doesn't really like the choices the GOP is giving them.

Peace.
 
Siro said:
Can we get a candidate who wouldn't stand in the way of progress (economic AND social), while simultaneously not bomb people/topple regimes to achieve political objectives?
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Were that ever feasible...

Social issues take care of themselves over time. That's the greatest thing about living in this day and age.

Economically? That's a parsed issue. We won't have any progress on that front ever until we start addressing what the real economic issues are, and we won't. It's too hard to sell to a rich population that has their hands out with palms up. We're too distracted with this declining middle class nonsense to target the true economic issues. Meanwhile, we all keep up with the Joneses then complain about how the cost of living (that we create) is too high.

You won't get a candidate who gives us what we need because that's not what politicians are. We get what we deserve and vote for, and currently that's a handout. Cut my taxes, give me free healthcare, don't fix social security, go to war but don't pay for it... Either side of the isle, it's all the same free lunch buffet. There are two parties. The party of something for nothing and the party of nothing for something.
 
Siro said:
Our defense spending is a big reason why there's so much terrorism.
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There would be plenty of terrorism absence defense spending as well. It seems like there is no nuance in the neo-con vs anti-neo-con discussion these days.
 
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Brother Bernie getting arrested for protesting Civil Rights.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...nders-1963-chicago-arrest-20160219-story.html
 
For those who don't think Trump has a real shot, refer to the recent Calif. gubernatorial election when people thought Arnold Schwarzenegger was a joke candidate. Schwarz won by a landslide in a state that more often swings democrat. Fame is a powerful drug.
 
franklin said:
It's quite possible the left has already created an economic disaster world wide. Japan is in perpetual turmoil, Europe cannot get over their funk... The globe is surviving on USA being the last developed nation holding out plus growth in the underdeveloped nations.

Bernie Sanders supporters want us to join that crowd.
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And Germany?
 
I'm voting for Bernie because he's mastered the art of the trolljob. I like sitting back and imagining him laughing, together with his close advisors, at how ridiculous the horde is. About how ridiculous it is that basic hardline Keynesianism is regarded at catastrophically Left. If you can troll like this, then you can be an excellent Pres IMO.
 
I think I'm voting for Bernie over Hillary because I want absolutely no results over the next 4 years >rolls eyes<
 
franklin said:
Fair enough. However, a strong argument is had that Germany is fully responsible for Greece and other European economic turmoil. Do you want to get into that convo?
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Failed interventions by Germany trying to resuscitate the already flawed economies of other nations does nothing to devalue how Germany's comparatively leftist policies have faulted it into an international power, yet again, despite losing two world wars in the past 100 years.
 
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