Science vs. Creationism

[Zulu]

...we've answered that question more times than a Jazz missed jumpshot! IT'S STILL A MOSQUITO! It doesn't "evolve" into a bird, a plane or even a tall building! Insects remain insects, reptiles remain reptiles, mammals remain mammals! There is a distinct and definite limit as to the varieties within a Genesis "kind" that does not allow for the evolutionary thinking or process! This variety or adaptability is indeed, amazing! But it never goes beyond those boundaries! Cats remain cats, dogs remain dogs, monkeys remain monkeys, etc. etc. etc.! So, enough of this foolishness! By the way, who do you think is going to win the regionals?

What about this guy....

 

[PearlWatson]

men everywhere have the intelligence to know this is not "progress" or "evolution", but merely an evil afterthought inspired by Satan. Few scientists, however, have burned the midnight oil cogitating or experimenting to prove the non-existence of Satan and/or the Evil One's destructive contributions to the world we know.

As you know, I consider this line of thought demonstrated sufficiently in the acts of politicians.

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so, what has become of your husband???

haha...she only eats him because he is smaller than her...and she can't always recognize him.

This dude makes a good point about the familiarity of the spider ritual...both in the behavior of females and the behavior of males.

This phenomenon (mate eating!) is common for most spiders not just widows but it doesn't happen every time. Even though it’s every male spider’s problem; the black widows get more press so most people think it’s just the widow’s thing.
Female spiders don't always recognize their own species and all spiders are cannibalistic, so the male spider (usually smaller than the female) is at a great disadvantage. Males engage in a lengthy and subtle courtship ritual that lulls the female into the right mood. Every move the male makes has to be just right or it's all over for him. Sometimes it's all over for him no matter what he does - these would be the near-starving females that are more worried about food than reproduction. After mating (which may take some time) the female gradually returns to her normal state of mind – which includes eating anything smaller than her, including mates. If the male is foolish enough to hang out in the web too long, it becomes lunch. Most males skip out immediately and look for another female (sound familiar?)

 

[PearlWatson]

...we've answered that question more times than a Jazz missed jumpshot! IT'S STILL A MOSQUITO! It doesn't "evolve" into a bird, a plane or even a tall building! Insects remain insects, reptiles remain reptiles, mammals remain mammals! There is a distinct and definite limit as to the varieties within a Genesis "kind" that does not allow for the evolutionary thinking or process! This variety or adaptability is indeed, amazing! But it never goes beyond those boundaries! Cats remain cats, dogs remain dogs, monkeys remain monkeys, etc. etc. etc.! So, enough of this foolishness! By the way, who do you think is going to win the regionals?

The problem is they want to apply the special theory to the general theory.
They want you to believe the world is flat because a mesa is.

 

[PearlWatson]

Ok so you agree that we have a proof of new species evolving due to unique environment. The one which was never know before and it is safe to assume would have not come to existence without environmental change. The one which evolution took only hundred years + to happen. Now open your mind and think millions of years and much more significant changes to environment like oxygen levels changing about 5% one way or the other. Temperature raising or dropping 20-30 degrees. Think about it. THINK. THINK. We evolved best brains in the animal kingdom for that, use it my friend!

The differences represent loss mutations.
The underground misquito is now intolerant to cold.
The undergound misquito doesn't hybernate any longer because it is always warm.

No new genetic information.
In order to go from molecule to man you have to gain genetic information not lose it.

 

[♪alt13]

...we've answered that question more times than a Jazz missed jumpshot! IT'S STILL A MOSQUITO! It doesn't "evolve" into a bird, a plane or even a tall building! Insects remain insects, reptiles remain reptiles, mammals remain mammals! There is a distinct and definite limit as to the varieties within a Genesis "kind" that does not allow for the evolutionary thinking or process! This variety or adaptability is indeed, amazing! But it never goes beyond those boundaries! Cats remain cats, dogs remain dogs, monkeys remain monkeys, etc. etc. etc.! So, enough of this foolishness! By the way, who do you think is going to win the regionals?

UM no they don't.

https://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v453/n7192/full/nature06936.html

The egg-laying platypus is a remarkable species with many biological features unique among mammals. Our sequencing of the platypus genome now enables us to compare its sequence characteristics and organization with those of birds and therian mammals in order to address the questions of platypus biology and to date the emergence of mammalian traits. We report here that sequence characteristics of the platypus genome show features of reptiles as well as mammals.

The platypus genome, as well as the animal, is an amalgam of ancestral reptilian and derived mammalian characteristics. The platypus karyotype comprises 52 chromosomes in both sexes14, 15, with a few large and many small chromosomes, reminiscent of reptilian macro- and microchromosomes. Platypuses have multiple sex chromosomes with some homology to the bird Z chromosome16

Here's a dumbed down image for ya

 

[♪alt13]

What about this guy....

beat me to it. I should have finished reading the thread before replying. OH well, that link is interesting anyway.

 

[MVP]

The differences represent loss mutations.
The underground misquito is now intolerant to cold.
The undergound misquito doesn't hybernate any longer because it is always warm.

No new genetic information.
In order to go from molecule to man you have to gain genetic information not lose it.

The fact that it can reproduce only with its own kind (underground mosquito ) makes him unique new species - thus with unique new genetic information.

 

[babe]

Ok so you agree that we have a proof of new species evolving due to unique environment. The one which was never know before and it is safe to assume would have not come to existence without environmental change. The one which evolution took only hundred years + to happen. Now open your mind and think millions of years and much more significant changes to environment like oxygen levels changing about 5% one way or the other. Temperature raising or dropping 20-30 degrees. Think about it. THINK. THINK. We evolved best brains in the animal kingdom for that, use it my friend!

A better question at this point in the discussion. . . . . how do morons evolve from the "best brains in the animal kingdom"????

 

[carolinajazz]

What about this guy....

...glad you brought this critter up...because as you might know...but something "one brow" and "akmvp" refuse to realize or accept is this bad boy is an evolutionist NIGHTMARE!

The duck-billed platypus has always been a thorn in the side of evolutionists. Many evolutionists would like to simply prune it off the evolutionary tree of life, having been forced to place it on a lone branch all to itself. But the thorn has just gotten much larger, and much harder to ignore.

Aside from the fact that this mammal lays eggs and possesses features found only among birds and reptiles, researchers have now discovered that the platypus boasts not two sex chromosomes like most animals, but ten!!!

So to give one brow and his partner in crime "AKMVP" some of there own medicine, I present you with the following: Before you write this off as simply a “non-issue” anomaly, consider for just a moment the implications. Normally, one sex chromosome from a male species combines with one sex chromosome from a female species to make a full compliment of chromosomes. With the duck-billed platypus, this combination suddenly takes on an entirely different level of complexity!

As Elizabeth Pennisi, Science staff writer, admitted:"Many organisms have two sex chromosomes. Women for example have two X chromosomes, and men have one X and one Y. But in the platypus, males have five X and five Y chromosomes, while females have 10 Xs. If the male platypus’s X and Y chromosomes randomly segregated into sperm this would greatly complicate sex determination."

Pennisi observed:"The chain consisted of alternating X and Y chromosomes. During the key step in sperm formation—a division that results in two cells, each with half the number of the original number of chromosomes—the X and Y chromosomes peeled off from the chain one by one and headed into separate cells, all segregating faithfully with their own kind. This ensures that half of the sperm each have five X chromosomes; the other half have five Y chromosomes (2004)."

Was it by accident that these chromosomes formed this chain in alternating order, and then precisely peeled off into separate X and Y groups? This extreme complexity veritably screams “design”!

This latest study helps scientists understand how the duck-billed platypus is able to keep its reproduction from going amiss. In documenting this amazing feat, Grützner and his colleagues watched the ten chromosomes link up into a chain.

Yet researchers are hastily painting an evolutionary picture to try to explain this peculiarity.

Evolutionists, however, face a daunting task! First they must explain the sudden appearance of (and reason for) double homologous sex chromosomes. How is it that at one point in time, “nature” was able to evolve a female member of a species that produces eggs and is internally equipped to nourish a growing embryo, while at the same time evolving a male member that produces motile sperm cells?

And, further, how is it that these gametes (eggs and sperm) “conveniently” evolved so that they each contain half the normal chromosome number of standard somatic (body) cells? And why is this the case? Of the 46 human chromosomes, 44 are members of identical pairs, but two, the X and Y (generally referred to as the “sex chromosomes”), stand apart. Evolutionists thus are faced with the unenviable challenge of explaining not only the origin of sex chromosomes themselves, but also the evolution of two totally different sex chromosomes (X and Y).

I'm going to stop here for now! But if you want to continue your feeble attempt to use the Duck-billed Platypus as proof of evolution....I can add a few more lengthy paragraphs that will further bury your ridiculous idea that no "designer" was involved in this marvelously "designed" creature!

 

[MVP]

A better question at this point in the discussion. . . . . how do morons evolve from the "best brains in the animal kingdom"????

Morons are not evolved. They are just uneducated.

 

[MVP]

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I'm going to stop here for now! But if you want to continue your feeble attempt to use the Duck-billed Platypus as proof of evolution....I can add a few more lengthy paragraphs that will further bury your ridiculous idea that no "designer" was involved in this marvelously "designed" creature!

You should watch it and read less creationist crap.

[video]https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/02/090206-dna-missions-video-wc.html

And than read this:

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/05/080507-platypus.html

from article:

"The new genomic data make a water-tight case for platypus egg-laying truly being a primitive retention from reptilian ancestors," said Matt Phillips, an Australian National University scientist who was not involved in the genome project.

On the other hand, the set of mammalian genes responsible for lactation—or milk production—was also found in the platypus genome.

While milk production and giving birth to live young would seem to go hand in hand, the platypus genome shows that the two common mammalian traits evolved at very different points in evolutionary time.

"The presence of the full repertoire of milk genes confirms that lactation evolved at least 166 million years ago, way before live-bearing," Graves said.

 

[One Brow]

The problem is they want to apply the special theory to the general theory.
They want you to believe the world is flat because a mesa is.

The Speical Theory of Relativity is called that because there are extra limitations built into it (no gravity, no acceleration), while the General Theory allows for both. This does not apply to evolutionary theory. The develpment of the London underground mosquito is handled in exactly the same was as the development of legs on fish.