hilltopper06
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Williams didn't get cut by the Nets for a lack of talent. He smoked too much weed and kept getting busted by to cops for drug use. That is why no other team looked at him much.
Sean Williams Headed overseas
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Archie Moses
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****, that's twice I've been told I'm right in this thread, and once was from Kicky. Damn, thanks for making my day guys I'm going to throw down some key-lime pie to celebrate now.
The Thriller
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If he's so good then why didn't any other NBA team sign him? Are we the only team lacking size?
Off the top of my head, the Jazz might be the only team in the league with only two healthy true bigs (meaning AK doesn't count as a legit 4). Once Memo comes back or the Jazz sign a 5, the sitch changes, but right now the Jazz are in some trouble with their big rotation.
Archie Moses
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And an undersized Sean Williams was the answer then?
No thanks. I would much rather scout the D-league for a 7 footer.
6' 10" 235 with a 4' vertical is not undersized compared to a complete shell (Elson, Collins), or guy that weighs less that's less explosive and with less strength (Moore), and I doubt there are a lot of players in the D-League worth picking up just by virtue of having a much, much smaller pool. Williams played a lot of C and it wasn't anymore problematic from that position as the 4.
The Jazz just need someone and I feel the 'risk' of a minimum contract to a ******** oozing with insane athletic ability and sufficient inherit ability (which Dwight Howard is and Amare was [though I'm not saying that Williams has quite those ceilings]) is negligible for a potentially huge reward. If the Jazz are at 14 right now, then maybe the loss if the situation was problematic could be a huge problem, but I don't think they are (again, off the top of my head), so then just get Collins and Williams. If Williams blows it and **** goes south, you can at least bring in a guy that already knows what he's to do and is smart enough to pick up changes quickly (Collins).
But whatever, it's not a big deal. Elson or Collins might be able to plug in 10 mpg just fine until Memo's back, but I'd like to have seen the Jazz swing for the fences with a manageable downside (cut from the team with another vet backup in tow) in this instance.
I suppose it could also be argued that the team chemistry is in a vulnerable, susceptible state after so much change (to the point of very unusual for the franchise) so the disruption at that juncture would be critical. I don't know, whatever. I prefer Collins over Moore (too weak) and Elson (not experienced here, probably the most washed-up player in the deal). Wish they would've grabbed Zoubek, Samhan, or Parakhouski in free agency or the 2nd round, but those ships have sailed for now. But yeah, I think they could've splurged and covered their bases at the likely price-tag.
Also, I didn't read the whole article but I ASSUME with the European market tanking, with stories of players just not getting paid by their teams at all, and budget cuts coming across the board on almost all teams, that Williams would be making right around what he'd be making in the NBA or less.
2008 free-agency seems to be a bit of an aberration at this stage.
Would you rather have Sean Williams or Jeffers as the 12th/13th man? Honest question. He doesn't have to be a perfect fit, just better than the alternatives. I would lean toward Williams. He is a headcase with some decent skills. I personally view Jeffers as a nice guy with very limited talent.
billyshelby
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I would have taken a shot on Williams. You can take chances on character issues if you have the right culture. The Jazz have that. And Williams is a freak athlete even by NBA standards.
Fishsticks
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Well said Numberica. This undersize talk is nuts. He is a center 6-10 with a 7-5 wingspan. Williams>Elson, Jefferson, D-league stiff.
It is just amazing when you have a guy nobody else wants you have people complaining that we dont pick him up! He may have a long wingspan but he also gets pushed around underneath. Fes might not block as many shots but he is also going to stop more people defensively than Williams. There is more to playing defense than just blocking shots. If you look at Boozer's rebound numbers alone you might think he is a great defender.
Twin Towers
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Best way to explain it. Fesenko is a way better option. I like guys who clog the lane more than block shots. Take up space on defense so it makes the court smaller for the other team. Guys who block from the weak side like Sean Williams cannot clog the lane. Sean Williams can't clog the lane anymore than AK can.
If they are big like Fesenko and can block some shots than that is even better. But that is rare.
Emotional issues aside, Id rather have Sean Williams. Fesenko is big yeah, but he cant rebound or block shots. He cant even use his body that well.
Can someone tell me when a player like Sean Williams has panned out? For all of his personal issues, he's not that good of a player than a chance should be taken. So often, people say/write "if he can put those problems behind him", but those players never/if ever put those problems behind them. The Jazz did not make a mistake on this. No team made a mistake by not bringing this bundle of problems to their team. Fes is a goofball. Williams is trouble. No thanks.
Sadly, this toughness is what the Jazz need more than anything. We need an Antoine Carr or Karl Malone that are willing to take the cheap shot to let the opposing team know they should back off. Every time Gasol, Bynum or Odom come over the back for a rebound jab an elbow back into their groin. That should make them at least think about crawling up the backs of our players.
Twin Towers
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Fesenko is not a great rebounder but he is decent. But one thing he does not get credit for is blocking out his man. He actually does a very good job at this.
There was many times during the Denver series where he would take up enough space so his guy and sometimes a 2nd guy couldn't even get into the lane to rebound.
He actually helped the rest of the team rebound. He also tipped a lot of balls out for us.
Fesenko needs more playing time before we can judge him. And While Okur is out he will get enough minutes to develop more.
Sean Williams is actually pretty average for rebounds also.
Fesenko will learn how to use his body as time goes on. He is still young and doesn't have much experience. Somebody with his size needs more time to develop.
billyshelby
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I'd say Birdman worked out. Granted, he had to leave the game for a couple of years to sort his **** out. But he came back humble and hungry (or he just just didn't like all those other jobs paying millions of dollars a year.) Williams has never had even the limited success Birdman had in his early years so admittedly it's not the best example. I don't personally care the Jazz didn't sign him, but the Jazz are one of the few teams that wouldn't have to worry about his character issues. He either gets with the program or he's shown the door.
I'd say this is a fair point, but Birdman had something of a forcible wake-up call that other players who have been headcases have never dealt with. It's one thing to be suspended for two full years all in one go and quite another to have the slow decline over several seasons where everyone loses confidence in you that Sean Williams had.
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Nobody wanted Matthews last year either. You Fail.