Should #47 hang from the rafters at ESA

[jimmy eat jazz]

If you have no problem with them then your answer for AK should be yes. AK contributed more to this franchise than Hornacek or Griffeth did in their playing career. Hornacek was Steve Kerr for the Jazz. Is Kerr hanging in the rafters of the Bulls? It's not enough for me. The only Jersey's that I feel should be hanging are Stockton, Malone, AD, Maravich and Sloan.

I forgot about Layden's after coaching contributions. However if he is there should KOC be?

I disagree. Hornacek was a key contributor to the Jazz's two title runs. He was what finally got them over the hump. That's a hell of a lot more than Kerr ever contributed who was never more than a role player (although he did hit some big shots at crucial times). Hornacek played a role similar to, say, James Worthy--not the #1 or #2 person but clearly a core member and contributor (not saying he was the equal of Worthy). Kerr was more like the Michael Cooper, Kurt Rambis type.

Griffith was the first 'star' that Jazz had in their early NBA days. He, along with Dantley in their times, were the top players on the team who helped make the Jazz a relevant competitive team instead consigning them to perpetual Timberwolves/Clippers status. AK was a role player, and a woefully under achieving one at that. The number of role players who did not come close to realizing their potential should not be hanging from the rafters. (I do agree, however, that Eaton does not deserve to have his number retired--he was the quintessential role player.)

 

[MVP]

Then who is?

If he isn't even the best guy on his team there what would make you think he is a top NBA player?

Your blind love of all things AK keeps you from seeing reality.

And again I wonder, are you a jazz fan or just an AK fan?

They play team basketball, one day is Kristic, next day is Teodosic, other day is AK or Khryapa. They do not run their game through one player, that's the beauty of team basketball.
I never said he is top NBA player.
I like AK but not to the point where you should call it blind.
And again I started cheering for Jazz way before AK was even drafted. 1996 to be exact.

 

[Grandpa Jazz]

Also, I'm not sure I understand your purpose. You first say that you just want to know everyone's opinion, then you go after anyone who expresses an opinion different form yours.

Jimmy eat Jazz, I do want to know peoples feelings on this question, but i also stated that i was for it. bringing out valid points in favor of my point of view is not going after people. However, i did go after a few who in my view crossed the line of civility and posted crude and mean spirited things about a person they don't even know and never met. We have way to much of that attitude in our society.

Amazed to find people calling Kirilenko "soft". What is their definition of soft. Anyone with eyes could see that he ran the floor, hustled, dived on the floor for loose balls, etc. He was not a strong powerful inside force, he was agile. But soft? I dont see it. Because he cried ? He simply cared.

The above paragraph is what i would call a reasoned attempt to persuade someone to my point of view. Calling the man a " pimple on the Jazz ***" (not an exact quote) and then saying nothing else is just sophomoric attitude which says " if you dont see this as i do you are ****. This attitude is pervasive in our world (not just our country) and polarizes everyone on every facet of life. Politically, socially, religiously, everywhere. When people act like that when discussing basketball, well, it just depresses me.

Off my soap box!

 

[enchilada_style]

Jimmy eat Jazz, I do want to know peoples feelings on this question, but i also stated that i was for it. bringing out valid points in favor of my point of view is not going after people. However, i did go after a few who in my view crossed the line of civility and posted crude and mean spirited things about a person they don't even know and never met. We have way to much of that attitude in our society.

Amazed to find people calling Kirilenko "soft". What is their definition of soft. Anyone with eyes could see that he ran the floor, hustled, dived on the floor for loose balls, etc. He was not a strong powerful inside force, he was agile. But soft? I dont see it. Because he cried ? He simply cared.

The above paragraph is what i would call a reasoned attempt to persuade someone to my point of view. Calling the man a " pimple on the Jazz ***" (not an exact quote) and then saying nothing else is just sophomoric attitude which says " if you dont see this as i do you are ****. This attitude is pervasive in our world (not just our country) and polarizes everyone on every facet of life. Politically, socially, religiously, everywhere. When people act like that when discussing basketball, well, it just depresses me.

Off my soap box!

What a mother ****ing buzz kill, son.

 

[Grandpa Jazz]

What a mother ****ing buzz kill, son.

tonstermits, What? I need an interpreter. I am legitimately an old man who is out of touch with a lot of today's vernacular. Really do care what you think so would you care to explain to me what you said ?

Okay. Grandpa can google so he now knows the meaning of buzz kill.

 

[Deleted member 365]

hell no.

If we did, then why wouldn't we retire Dwill, Boozer, chris Morris, Ostertag, and CJ?

 

[One Brow]

As a point of comparison: Millsap plays this season and four more. In tha time, we get back tot he WCF, but not to the Championship series. How many of supporting Kirilenko will also think Millsap should have a banner, and how many not supporting Kirilenko will also say Millsap is not worthy? Will that be based on numbers, or just how much you like the players?

 

[LogGrad98]

If you have no problem with them then your answer for AK should be yes. AK contributed more to this franchise than Hornacek or Griffeth did in their playing career. Hornacek was Steve Kerr for the Jazz. Is Kerr hanging in the rafters of the Bulls? It's not enough for me. The only Jersey's that I feel should be hanging are Stockton, Malone, AD, Maravich and Sloan.

I forgot about Layden's after coaching contributions. However if he is there should KOC be?

Just go to YouTube and watch highlights of Hornacek and Kerr and tell me you can rally compare the 2. The fact that Kerr is your comparison tells me you have no clue. I don't remember Kerr being the second option on 2 finals runs. Did you ever even watch either of them play? Hornacek was more than twice the player Kerr ever was. Wow.

 

[Grandpa Jazz]

How many of supporting Kirilenko will also think Millsap should have a banner, and how many not supporting Kirilenko will also say Millsap is not worthy? Will that be based on numbers, or just how much you like the players?

Paul's ( Paul is first name, not last) story has not been told in it's entirety. When it has, i fervently hope everyone will want Paul's banner flying high. That wish is based on both of your criteria.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Just go to YouTube and watch highlights of Hornacek and Kerr and tell me you can rally compare the 2. The fact that Kerr is your comparison tells me you have no clue. I don't remember Kerr being the second option on 2 finals runs. Did you ever even watch either of them play? Hornacek was more than twice the player Kerr ever was. Wow.

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[vslice02]

Just go to YouTube and watch highlights of Hornacek and Kerr and tell me you can rally compare the 2. The fact that Kerr is your comparison tells me you have no clue. I don't remember Kerr being the second option on 2 finals runs. Did you ever even watch either of them play? Hornacek was more than twice the player Kerr ever was. Wow.

This.

I forgot about Layden's after coaching contributions. However if he is there should KOC be?

What? "After coaching contributions"?? Layden's honored more for his pre-coaching contributions and mid-80's head coaching contributions. He established the Jazz in Utah. If Kevin O'Connor never came along, something tells me the Jazz would still be in Salt Lake City.

 

[JazzGenius]

Yes! They should retire his jersey! Andrei was a great Jazz man!