Should we go full rebuild?

[HermanG]

Thunder are a problem for sure but as Cy pointed out you dont go crying in the corner just because there's competition. In fact, the term "contender" has a built in expectation of having others to contend with.

We need to worry about building the best possible team regardless of what the other teams do, and the real question is whether we achieve that by initiating a deep tank or by building with/around the current pieces. I personally hope we do the latter, but feel like the position our FO has put us in is more favourable for the former.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

if the Rockettes offered Green and all the nets picks back for Bridges, how about Lauri for the same deal? Adding the Brooklyn picks to our current load feels fitting.

 

[Shad]

We should have went full rebuild 2 seasons ago. There's A LOT of talk next season we WILL be going full rebuild

 

[sip]

What? When the FO mailed it in we were worried if we can catch the Rockets in a race towards the bottom. Now all of a sudden they are significantly better?

Are you worried about the 42/33/80 Jalen Green or the 53/15/60 Amen Thompson turning into superstars? Or maybe its Cam Whitmore, who is close to worst in their internal BPM rankings and is probably the worst black hole we have seen a rookie been in a long time. Who are the guys Rockets have that are causing you to hyperventilate?

Sengun is great btw, but not like he is #1 in a contender level guy. Jalen Green has been hot as of late, but unless he seriously leveled up midseason its a hot stretch and despite improving him numbers lately his total body of work for the year is still very meh.

The rockets were riddled by injuries all year while we had been healthy. Amen Thompson is a beast so don't even try to go there and so is Whitmore. Then of course you don't even mention 20yr old Jabari Smith or Tari Eason who was great as a rookie but has been injured all year. Jalen Green is actually only my 5th favorite young player on that team but what he is doing right now is different than when he has gotten hot in the past. We are also talking about a 22yr old so continued improvement is likely. Also if we want to breakdown current rosters this is how I see it.

Lauri vs Sengun- This is pretty much a wash but Lauri has probably peaked while Sengun may be able to level up a little more.
Sexton vs Jalen- I would go with Sexton but Jalen Green seems to be leveling up
Key vs Amen- Very different players but now that Amen is getting big minutes he is showing how special he can be defensively. At this point I'm think it's pretty equal.
Walker vs Jabari- Jabari without a doubt
Hendricks vs Eason - Definitely Eason based on what we saw from him as a rookie
Brice vs Whitmore- Whitmore without a doubt
Clarkson vs FVV- FVV by a mile
Dunn vs Brooks- Brooks by a good margin

For me it's not particularly close between the young cores. They have a very good mix of offense and defense to go along with elite length and athleticism.

 

[sip]

if the Rockettes offered Green and all the nets picks back for Bridges, how about Lauri for the same deal? Adding the Brooklyn picks to our current load feels fitting.

The trade to make is with the nets for the suns picks so that we have a direct negative impact on the rockets.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

What? When the FO mailed it in we were worried if we can catch the Rockets in a race towards the bottom. Now all of a sudden they are significantly better?

Are you worried about the 42/33/80 Jalen Green or the 53/15/60 Amen Thompson turning into superstars? Or maybe its Cam Whitmore, who is close to worst in their internal BPM rankings and is probably the worst black hole we have seen a rookie been in a long time. Who are the guys Rockets have that are causing you to hyperventilate?

Sengun is great btw, but not like he is #1 in a contender level guy. Jalen Green has been hot as of late, but unless he seriously leveled up midseason its a hot stretch and despite improving him numbers lately his total body of work for the year is still very meh.

It's such a silly person statement. So much is going to happen over the next 3 years. The development path for young players is not linear.

 

[HermanG]

The rockets were riddled by injuries all year while we had been healthy. Amen Thompson is a beast so don't even try to go there and so is Whitmore. Then of course you don't even mention 20yr old Jabari Smith or Tari Eason who was great as a rookie but has been injured all year. Jalen Green is actually only my 5th favorite young player on that team but what he is doing right now is different than when he has gotten hot in the past. We are also talking about a 22yr old so continued improvement is likely.

Amen Thompson is a beast? The dude cannot shoot from any range. ANY. Including static shots at fixed spots like the FT line. Which is exactly the #1 thing scouts worried about with him.

Also your other favourite Cam Whitmore has 18 assists all year to 366 FGA. Like how do you even stumble to such a ratio as a rookie wing? Even Andre Drummond has better AST Ratio than Cam. Only NBA player to record any assists all year that has a worse ratio is Ish Wainright.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Amen Thompson is a beast? The dude cannot shoot from any range. ANY. Including static shots at fixed spots like the FT line. Which is exactly the #1 thing scouts worried about with him.

Also your other favourite Cam Whitmore has 18 assists all year to 366 FGA. Like how do you even stumble to such a ratio as a rookie wing? Even Andre Drummond has better AST Ratio than Cam. Only NBA player to record any assists all year that has a worse ratio is Ish Wainright.

No need to downplay the Rockets young dudes, they are very talented.

I just dont get being doomer about the Jazz.

Keyonte is at least a top 5 rookie and many think he is the #3 rookie in the class. Hendricks defensively looks legit and offensively you can see some promise. Sensabaugh could be good in 1-2 years.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The plan so far is perfect. Just avoid the John Collins trade type of mistake and the Jazz will build a contender in time.

Wait the plan is perfect yet we made a mistake on John. If we have a perfect plan then the execution must be pretty bad.

They’ve made multiple mistakes… that’s okay. They’ve really only done the easiest part of the plan. The next moves are far more difficult.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What? When the FO mailed it in we were worried if we can catch the Rockets in a race towards the bottom. Now all of a sudden they are significantly better?

Are you worried about the 42/33/80 Jalen Green or the 53/15/60 Amen Thompson turning into superstars? Or maybe its Cam Whitmore, who is close to worst in their internal BPM rankings and is probably the worst black hole we have seen a rookie been in a long time. Who are the guys Rockets have that are causing you to hyperventilate?

Sengun is great btw, but not like he is #1 in a contender level guy. Jalen Green has been hot as of late, but unless he seriously leveled up midseason its a hot stretch and despite improving him numbers lately his total body of work for the year is still very meh.

Until Sengun went out Green looked like the emptiest of calories. Amen is nice but gonna have to shoot it so much better than he’s showed to hit any kind of star level. While they have picks they also owe picks. They also used their cap to take the low hanging fruit we haven’t. FVV means as much to winning as just about anyone on that roster and that’s not like a great long term solution.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Wait the plan is perfect yet we made a mistake on John. If we have a perfect plan then the execution must be pretty bad.

They’ve made multiple mistakes… that’s okay. They’ve really only done the easiest part of the plan. The next moves are far more difficult.

To me a plan is a loose outline of what you want to do, not a direct step by step written out guide for the next 3 years.

They wanted to buy cheap on a talent. It hasnt worked out yet, but it can still be salvaged.

And the hardest part of the plan was the Gobert/Mitchell trade and they nailed that. That wasnt some Sam Presti lucks into superstars bending owners in a way that helps him kind of luck BS. It was legit master craftsman trade work.

 

[SteakNEggs]

I think we're pretty close to being a good team. With another hopeful top 10 pick this year I think it's time to use some assets and build off the nucleus that we have. We're a year or two away but we have some good pieces in place.

 

[KqWIN]

We need to focus on ourselves. It’s not about doing what this team or that team did. Following another “plan” is almost certainly going to lead to different results.

Right now we have a plan that we poorly executed, or a plan that we pivoted and changed directions on. Hopefully by this time next year we are can confidently say that are moves and actions align with each other.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

People want such immediate results lmao. I can only imagine if we went full rebuild and missed on getting the top dudes or picked on and he absolutely busted what the reactions would be.

 

[KqWIN]

People want such immediate results lmao. I can only imagine if we went full rebuild and missed on getting the top dudes or picked on and he absolutely busted what the reactions would be.

Immediate results? Many want results that will take longer. You need to understand that questioning the FO moves is not a matter of impatience. That’s such a lazy way to address the criticisms the FO is facing. Yeah, if the plan (any plan) does not work people will have poor reactions. Problem is that the Jazz don’t seem to have much of a plan at all.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

People want such immediate results lmao. I can only imagine if we went full rebuild and missed on getting the top dudes or picked on and he absolutely busted what the reactions would be.

There is one thing universally loved by people specifically sports fans… that is complaining. I’m trying to be measured without dick riding the FO. I understand most of what they have done the last two years. There are things I was skeptical of at the time that turned out rough but for the most part they haven’t made a bad bad move.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Just a quick reminder:

How Long Before the Jazz Make the Playoffs Again?

How long does a rebuild take? I'll define the rebuild process as the time between when the team starts being bad on purpose to the time when you make the playoffs again.

jazzfanz.com

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

There is one thing universally loved by people specifically sports fans… that is complaining. I’m trying to be measured without dick riding the FO. I understand most of what they have done the last two years. There are things I was skeptical of at the time that turned out rough but for the most part they haven’t made a bad bad move.

For now I'm dick riding because they have nailed the important moves.

When you draft a guy who is universally thought of as a top 5 rookie at 16 your dick should be rode.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

To me a plan is a loose outline of what you want to do, not a direct step by step written out guide for the next 3 years.

They wanted to buy cheap on a talent. It hasnt worked out yet, but it can still be salvaged.

And the hardest part of the plan was the Gobert/Mitchell trade and they nailed that. That wasnt some Sam Presti lucks into superstars bending owners in a way that helps him kind of luck BS. It was legit master craftsman trade work.

I agree it’s not a blue print… I’m not even sure it’s like a map… I think it’s more like a compass and they are like “let’s go north” and then the “plan diverts from there. That works for a while but eventually you have to make hard moves toward your final destination. We are headed towards a decision point in the next 9 months or so. Now is going to be some of the harder decisions that start to lock you in a bit more.

If Presti was lucky so was DA and JZ. Both got things that became more than what they thought they were getting. The degree of luck and skill is arguable with both.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

For now I'm dick riding because they have nailed the important moves.

When you draft a guy who is universally thought of as a top 5 rookie at 16 your dick should be rode.

Hopefully DA refilled his viagra prescription then.