billyshelby
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I seriously wonder how much better Williams will be than Sap.
Somebody explain Derrick Williams love to a Jazz Fan
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Just an opinion but I think he will be a fringe all-star. Williams is just that much more athletic, imo, to be that Paul Pierce-esque 3. Millsap has just recently developed that range that Williams already has, his biggest thing to work on will be fighting through screens on D and using them on O.
billyshelby
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Well if Williams is a fringe All Star, then he's basically Sap, maybe a little better. Which doesn't get me very excited, at least at the 2. He's far more interesting if he can produce Sap's stats at the 3, but I'd only draft him high if I really thought he could do that. I'm not so sure he can.
Millsap isn't anything close to a fringe all-star. He is a good starter who should be a 6th man to utilize his strengths.
billyshelby
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What's your definition of fringe? They compare Williams to West. West is a fringe all star every year. West and Sap are pretty close to the same player. In PER, Sap was under Garnett and West, over Odom, Bosh, and Smith. That's my exact definition of fringe all star.
Sap played like a fringe all-star the start of the year, but he quickly flamed out. So I see what you are saying, but he lacks the durability of performing like that for an entire year. The David West comparissons to Williams are based purely off him being an undersized 4 who can shoot. Athletically he is leagues ahead of West. He is more of a Beasley if anything.
billyshelby
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And you'd redraft Beasley at 2? The point is if Williams is putting up Sap numbers as a 3 in the NBA, he's absolutely worth the 2. If he's doing that as a 4, he isn't. And it's kind of weird you'd draft anybody at the 2 not sure if he can play the one position you need him to be good at.
How people see Millsap as just a starter is mystifying to me. Dude can flat out play and was the most consistent and toughest player on the team, in addition to being the 2nd most productive. Holy ****.
Billy, I share the concern. I think Williams can be more of 3 and his ability to put the ball on the floor is a significant difference.
Billy, I share the concern. I think Williams can be more of 3 and his ability to put the ball on the floor is a significant difference.
Beasley but smart and not a walking piece of dung? In this draft? Yes.
I see you own a time machine, or at the very least a crystal ball. Saying how you'd re-draft after the fact and how you'd draft in the future are far different things. Of course you wouldn't take Beasley at 2 in a re-draft, but who would YOU take at the 3 in THIS draft with what you know today?
There is no machine you can put these kids into that spits out, for certain, who and what they will be. To be honest NBA GM's really do just a little more than we do and thats guess. I'm of the opinion, based off the games (5 total) and highlight videos that I've watched, that Williams can be an affective 3 in the league. I also think he can be a 17-20pt 6-8board 2-3ast guy a night, again at the 3.......thats fringe all-star in my book.
If the Jazz can get Derrick Williams at #3, they'd better take it and run.
billyshelby
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You're making my point. IF a team thinks he's going to put up numbers like that AT THE 3, he's great value. If he can only put those numbers up at the 4, he isn't. My problem is I don't want to be guessing or projecting a guy's NBA position in the top 5. 2 or 3, 4 or 5 is fine. But not 3 or 4.