Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Since Russell Westbrook averaging a trip-dub for the season, I guess u think he should be MVP?
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Sorry Jazz fans – Ben is the NBA Rookie of the Year
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Since Russell Westbrook averaging a trip-dub for the season, I guess u think he should be MVP?
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The difference between being the #1 option where you are the focus of the entire defensive efforts, and being the 3rd option is bigger than you are seeing it. It's not just stats. Just ask Hayward or any other player that moved from supporting player to being the number 1 option and dealing with what teams do to stop you first. IMO, an unbiased fan would pick Mitchell before Ben because he did what he did while being the #1 option on a team that was expected to not make the playoffs, but won 48 games, landed a 5 seed (1 win from a 3 seed), made the most 3pt shots of any other rookie in NBA history, and did it in such a way that people are turning attention to Utah when they wouldn't bother before.
Am I saying he will win it? I'd say its 50/50, or 55/45 to Ben because of the East Coast bias. I'm just saying that's how an unbiased fan picks DM.
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Lets not forget that the vast majority of NBA PLAYERS current and former picked Donovan. But yes, lets allow some journalist nerds from the East Coast who have never picked up a basketball tell us Ben is superior.
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utahjazzz
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Westbrooke and Harden's stats are really close. There is nothing in it. The mvp can go to either one of them.
Harden 30.4/5.4/8.8/1.8/0.7
Total = 47.1 in 35.4 min per game
westbrooke 25.4/10.1/10.3/1.8/0.3
Total = 47.9 in 36.4 min per game
Since westbrooke won it last year and stat padded this year, they would most likely give the mvp to Harden this time.
On the other hand, Simmons and mitchell's stats are not even close. Ben's stats were substantially better during the regular season. Any unbiased judge would give the ROY award to Ben.
simmons 15.8/8.1/8.2/1.7/0.9
Total = 34.7 in 33.7 min per game
mitchell 20.5/3.7/3.7/1.5/0.3
Total = 29.7 in 33.4 min per game
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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You forgot to add three point shooting and ft shooting. Even with overall shooting Mitchell wins with that total thing u cooked up
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utahjazzz
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You can't compare 3 pt % between the two because Ben did not genuinely attempt one. All of his 10 or so 3 pt attempts were half court heaves.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Fine. The ft discrepancy is enough with out three point shooting
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Scoring matters more than anything else and it's not close between these two. Mitchell is a vastly superior scorer.
Any pg can get 10 assists per game for 76ers that's why both the other pgs have got a triple double this year for them.
Fultz would have averaged close to a triple double this year has he been healthy and started this year instead of Simmons.
Also Simmons personally lost the game to Boston. Embiid if going to get tired of Simmons holding them back. Hopefully 76ers have the guts to get LeBron and they trade Simmons for a better fit player.
Any pg can get 10 assists per game for 76ers that's why both the other pgs have got a triple double this year for them.
Fultz would have averaged close to a triple double this year has he been healthy and started this year instead of Simmons.
Also Simmons personally lost the game to Boston. Embiid if going to get tired of Simmons holding them back. Hopefully 76ers have the guts to get LeBron and they trade Simmons for a better fit player.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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So, because Simmons didn't shoot threes, it should be ignored? Why? It's a stat isn't it? Don't u think if he could shoot threes he would?
Harden wouldn't be nearly as effective if he didn't shoot threes, Simmons would be an all time great right now if he could hit threes
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utahjazzz
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Scoring is important only when you are an efficient scorer like Ben Simmons or Harden. Mitchell is not an efficient scorer right now! His chucking actually hurted the jazz on many occassions. The 5th game in the playoff against the thunders is a good example.
Fultz would not have been good enough to play 30+ minutes a game like simmons did in the regular season.
He is not even playing in the playoff right now because he is not good enough just yet.
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Magic Spray
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This is a great thread.
@utahjazzz is a fantastic contributor to the overall quality of conversation on Jazz basketball.
@utahjazzz is a fantastic contributor to the overall quality of conversation on Jazz basketball.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Are you serious, or are you saying he may have actually hurted jazzfanz on many occasions?
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Also interesting is that if you look at the rookie stats of Kevin Durant they are almost identical to Mitchell's stats. Both shot 17 shots a game both scored 20 a game. KD shot two more ft's but DM made 34% of his threes, KD made only 28% of his threes. Both shot 43% from the field. KD is on his way to being an all time great and will be a HOF player. KD was his teams #1 option, same as Mitchell. I'm excited for what the future might bring for Mitchell.
For the record, a how hard is it to be a rookie and be the #1 option. I remember like it was yesterday the struggles Hayward had when he was asked to be the #1 option, and he wasn't a rookie. Mitchell coming in as a rook and having the success he is speaks volumes as to the player he may become.
For the record, a how hard is it to be a rookie and be the #1 option. I remember like it was yesterday the struggles Hayward had when he was asked to be the #1 option, and he wasn't a rookie. Mitchell coming in as a rook and having the success he is speaks volumes as to the player he may become.
Nah, Mitchell has not hurt the team and isn't a chucker. Yes he has had bad games but so does every player. Just like Simmons who lost them game 1.
You clearly don't watch the jazz or just don't understand basketball if you think that about Mitchell.
Swap either of you point guards in when healthy a and the 76ers record is the same this year and I agree fultz isn't that good yet.
You forgot a third option: he is a troll.
utahjazzz
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Another inefficient shooting display by mitchell today ~ 6 from 21 shots, sorry.
That was really bad.
Tak
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LOL on a badly strained ankle you hack! Take that L and shove it.
But we just beat the best team in the NBA and guess who had the best +/- for our team? Duh Mitchell. He was big and very important to us winning even though his shots were off. Those dimes though. Not even Simmons can make those kind of passes.
utahjazzz
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When simmons racked up all these assists, you said Ben did not deserve any credit because they were just system assists and any point guard would have collected 10 or more assists if he replaced simmons in the lineup. But When mitchell.collected all these assists today, all of a sudden Mitchell deserves all the credit and they were the most beautiful passes one has ever seen. Can you get more hyoocritical than this ?
You are a joke, mate.