Jack Strop
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Agree with the distinction, although sometimes the two do intertwine. I can incorporate some physical fitness training into skills training and vice-versa.
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Not at the NBA level they don't.
Jack Strop
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So if I want to get in better physical shape and I'm a basketball player, I train like a marathon runner, just like I would if I'm a defensive lineman in football, or a starting pitcher in baseball?
Different physical goals depending on what a player does. There are ABSOLUTELY physical fitness options one would choose that would enhance or detract from a player's skills in his/her sport. I could run marathons and that would increase my cardio, but might decrease muscle mass. Or I could incorporate weight lifting and concentrate on specific areas (lower body, upper body). Perhaps train like a volleyball player to increase jumping ability.
How about Rudy and a bunch of others boxing? Many players have taken dance lessons. Or yoga. All options that directly or indirectly are geared towards enhancing basketball skills.
You are talking in circles.
On court training is not in the gym training. Please stop trying to say Johnnie Bryant is a strength and conditioning trainer when he is a basketball skills and development coach.
Bryant isn't the one in the weight room showing players what exercises to do. He is the one of the court showing you what drills to do.
Jack Strop
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We're just arguing different things. I never said Johnnie Bryant was a strength and conditioning trainer.
I'm just claiming that strength and conditioning is done in conjunction with skills and development. The two are interdependent. I have little doubt Bryant worked with Hayward on basketball skills and likely a different coach or outside trainer took over in the weight room.
What I AM claiming is that the entire program would have been coordinated very closely.
And that brings me back to my original point. The training facility (which Hayward helped designed) could be for players to be able to do both. Hayward stayed in Utah last summer to work with Bryant (and other strength and conditioning coaches). He was obviously able to increase muscle mass AND add to his skill set, both of which helped him to make another jump forward. Biggest difference, IMO, was his ability to absorb contact - even seek it out - and finish or get to the FT line.
There are definitely distinct fields but they can and do overlap sometimes. Strength and conditioning coaches do sports specific training that incorporates skills training. Some do the sport specific training and take a more literal adaption. Others like me take it more general and focus on training the proper energy system, muscle types and so forth for the specific sport, which I think is better.
Sports performance coaches can work with people on drills and those things but the focus will be different. I take a lot of time working on specific movements from an athletes sport but I don't really focus on the skill I focus on the movement and do plyometric drills and other things to reenforce that motor patterning. For example with a football wide receiver I'll have them run routes over and over but we are working in the footwork and movement. Teaching them acceleration Sprint technique, max velocity Sprint technique, 1 step cuts, double cuts, etc. Its also a great time to look for weaknesses.
I don't think people really realize what the difference are between a lot of the coaches/jobs are. Head coach, Skills coach, strength and conditioning coach, sports performance coach, athletic trainer and so on are pretty different jobs. Although sports performance and strength and conditioning overlap and are sometimes interchangeable depending on the program.
You said Utah is building something like P3(a strength and conditioning facility that tries to innovate) and that Bryant should be the head of it (which is currently Isaiah Wright's job).
Jack Strop
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Thanks, that's what I was getting at, although you explained it better.
Jack Strop
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I said a training facility and didn't explain it well. If it is a basketball training facility (basketball skills), then I would expect Bryant to have heavy involvement. I do understand the difference between strength & conditioning and sports performance training.
I think Hayward did a pretty good job of physical AND skills development by staying in Utah. Has he ever really utilized P3? I could see Utah getting away from P3 and utilizing resources within the organization or the area for strength and conditioning programs. As Ron Mexico explained, much better than I could have, that aspect can be sports specific, or concentrate on motion and footwork, etc.
Certainly having an organization which could provide both would be a huge plus. Not saying it would be year-round, but players would work with Jazz staff for certain stretches of the off-season, have a break and return. There would be accountability. There would be adaptability as coaches could change routines depending on need and progress.
As opposed to, say Trey Burke, who was working out in Washington, I believe and the coaching staff just said he was working hard to improve. Or Hayward a couple of seasons ago who remained in Indiana while a lot of the other Jazz players were working out in Salt Lake.
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A basketball training facility for basketball skills is called a basketball court...
green
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This is true. I've been through the new facilities, seen the plans. It's all about comfort and quality of life.
If you want a good idea of what they are, go check out the University of Utah's facilities. A lot of what the Jazz have done has been taken from Utah's facilities.