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There are a couple of important facts in Ford's story that just don't make sense to me --

1) She went to the party during the summer from the country club, where she used to swim and practice diving. She would know which years of high school she did this. It doesn't make sense that the timing in her testimonies varied from mid-80s to early 80s and from late-teens to then honing in on when she was 15. There shouldn't have been much if any a discrepancy in her account of what year this happened.

In informal settings, 1982 could be described as either middle 80s or early 80s and 15 is not too soon be thought of as late teens.

2) I've said this before, but based on her story, it sure sounds like this party took place at the home of Kavanaugh, Judge or PJ. Those were the 3 guys who were there drinking.

Not the only 3, though. From the beginning, Ford has said there were at least 4 guys.

There's a national campaign of support for her, and no one wants to help her revisit three residences to give investigators something to go investigate? She herself doesn't want to make the effort to do this?

You're surprised she doesn't want to revisit a scene where she was assaulted?

 

[JazzGal]

I went to many parties in the 80s (and I am a few years older than Ford). I didn't drink, but I still can not tell you much about any of those parties - who was there, who I went with, who I went home with, where the houses were located, etc. I do remember a couple of things that happened at parties, not to the same degree as Ford's experience, but just because I remember a small part of something disturbing that happened does not mean that I remember every other detail about that experience. That is not how memory works. I would not believe her to be credible if she had been able to provide all of those details. She would have had to be making things up. And this is part of why I believe her version over Kavanaugh's.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I went to many parties in the 80s (and I am a few years older than Ford). I didn't drink, but I still can not tell you much about any of those parties - who was there, who I went with, who I went home with, where the houses were located, etc. I do remember a couple of things that happened at parties, not to the same degree as Ford's experience, but just because I remember a small part of something disturbing that happened does not mean that I remember every other detail about that experience. That is not how memory works. I would not believe her to be credible if she had been able to provide all of those details. She would have had to be making things up. And this is part of why I believe her version over Kavanaugh's.

That’s something I’ve thought about. If Ford was lying, wouldn’t she tell a more detailed story to fill in gaps to make herself seem more believable, and if she was lying why would she ask or want an fbi investigation, because at first she refused to answer questions without first having an investigation.

Wondering what everyone thinks about that?


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[Stars Fan]

There are a couple of important facts in Ford's story that just don't make sense to me --

1) She went to the party during the summer from the country club, where she used to swim and practice diving. She would know which years of high school she did this. It doesn't make sense that the timing in her testimonies varied from mid-80s to early 80s and from late-teens to then honing in on when she was 15. There shouldn't have been much if any a discrepancy in her account of what year this happened.

2) I've said this before, but based on her story, it sure sounds like this party took place at the home of Kavanaugh, Judge or PJ. Those were the 3 guys who were there drinking. They were obviously familiar and comfortable with the house. It's unlikely that these teenagers were drinking in someone else's house. They allegedly followed Ford upstairs with bad intentions. (They must've known where the upstairs bedroom was.) So that's 3 specific addresses that she and her friends could verify. In one afternoon, they could look at the homes where these boys lived. Yet, she can't nail down the neighborhood. There's a national campaign of support for her, and no one wants to help her revisit three residences to give investigators something to go investigate? She herself doesn't want to make the effort to do this?

On top of this, I don't like the fact that the lawyers getting involved with these accusers are fervent Democratic activists. Maybe these are the attorneys who are willing to work pro bono, but it doesn't help the credibility of the allegations. I also don't like the way Feinstein apparently recommended attorneys for Ford and handled the timing of the release of her story after hearings had concluded. It shows political motive on the part of everyone involved.

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Where are you getting your facts from? Maybe it will make more sense if we review her actual testimony. Found here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2018/09/27/kavanaugh-hearing-transcript/

1. She stated the party was during the summer of 1982. I don't see any discrepancy there. Where are you seeing it? From earlier statements? Regardless, in her testimony, under penalty of felony, she was clear...summer of 1982

2. I think you are making some assumptions here. First in her testimony CBF clarifies that this wasn't really a party as has been erroneously reported. It was more of a casual spur of the moment gathering, she says she believes that there was going to be an actual party later on. So the boys could have been drinking prior to arrival, or drinking at the gathering, it could have been at the house of one of the four boys she remembers being there or someone else's that she does not recall. So there is some question as to how many people were there, she remembers the four boys and her friend, there could have been others. You are correct that she can not remember the neighborhood. But it is, IMO, 180 degrees out to think this means she does not want to know. From the beginning she has been asking for a complete and thorough investigation be made. Do you really believe it should be up to the victim to track down every pertinent fact and provide them to investigators? That is a high bar no one could live with in her place.

3(on top) Yep you are right, there are lawyers involved. I don't doubt that Democrats are using this to try to get their way. They surely have a political motive. Christine Blasey Ford would want a lawyer, who wouldn't? She got recommendations from the people who were supporting her. FWIW Feinstein denies leaking the allegations, and the media the released them confirms that it was not her office. But it is not beyond the pale to think the democrats, or their minions, are behind the leak. When you say "everyone involved" Do you think Christine Blasey Ford is complicit? That she is bringing these allegations a part of the plot to derail the confirmation? She first made her accusations in time to keep Brett Kavanaugh off the short list, knowing that he was one of the names President Trump had put forward during the election. You can fault the Democrats for overplaying the hand they were dealt, but that should not take away credibility from Ford.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I want one or both of these people to go to jail for perjury.

either ford or kav is lying or prolly both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


or never ever arrest anyone on perjury again! and release everyone immediately who is locked up for perjury

 

[Stars Fan]

That’s something I’ve thought about. If Ford was lying, wouldn’t she tell a more detailed story to fill in gaps to make herself seem more believable, and if she was lying why would she ask or want an fbi investigation, because at first she refused to answer questions without first having an investigation.

Wondering what everyone thinks about that?


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yeah, liars would do the research and not leave the gaps. Her telling is consistent with the way trauma works on memory...though as a psychologist she would know that. Not that I'm saying she left the gaps on purpose. She probably chose psychology as a field of study, at least in part, because of this. Many people in my field, social work, have similar experiences. It is not at all uncommon.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

That hasn't been my experience, but I'm not going to pretend I've read every one of their posts.

I’ve found Thriller to be an incredibly caustic pompous hysterical condescending douche. Only person I’ve got on block.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

You must've missed stoked's tirade from a few nights ago calling us a bunch of sanctimonious assholes lol. In my experience as a lefty I'm often accused of being naive, of having faux outrage, being a paid soros shill (lol), back in the Bush years of being an un-American who hates his country etc.

I chalk this kind of stuff up to the internet being kind of a crappy place tbh.

I guess it makes sense that we're more aware of the anger being directed at us personally. I thought Log's recent post about the entire situation was excellent.

But my wife recently reminded me of the bottom line:
Life is short. Make sure you spend as much time as possible arguing politics on the internet with strangers.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

This opinion is probably not that popular but I think what this country really needs is a truly left wing party with strong support for labor and whose primary interest isn't Wallstreet and corporate donors.

From a global perspective we have a far right wing party, and a centrist party, no wonder the average American's interests aren't well represented.

It is hard for me to understand this sort of thinking. The Dems are already way too far left. What we need is to come to agreement in the middle, not to move farther to either extreme.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

In informal settings, 1982 could be described as either middle 80s or early 80s and 15 is not too soon be thought of as late teens.

I think his point was that it's odd that Ford can't nail down the year. Even if we concede that it makes sense for victims to forget all sorts of details, forgetting the year seems bizarre. Were there no other landmark events that summer other than being assaulted and several months later seeing Judge at the Safeway? It just doesn't make sense.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I think his point was that it's odd that Ford can't nail down the year. Even if we concede that it makes sense for victims to forget all sorts of details, forgetting the year seems bizarre. Were there no other landmark events that summer other than being assaulted and several months later seeing Judge at the Safeway? It just doesn't make sense.

I had a camping trip after high school I remember some details vividly. We were more on a ridge and we look down to other campsites. Some had set up a volleyball net and someone down there was blasting really obnoxious music. Bunch of us found a felled tree that some decided to carve a bench out of. We discussed philosophy and I remembered that conversation leading me to really dislike philosophy as a whole. I had an honest conversation with an ex-girlfriend that made me feel better but her worse.

I don't remember if it was the summer after high school, the year after, or the year after that.

 

[Zombie]

It is hard for me to understand this sort of thinking. The Dems are already way too far left. What we need is to come to agreement in the middle, not to move farther to either extreme.

I get that's the perception on the right in this country but I don't think it's all that accurate. Take a look at the ACA for example, it's basically the crowning achievement of the Obama administration which finds its roots in an old Heritage Foundation idea, and is incredibly similar to the program Mitt Romney signed into law when he was governor of Massachusetts.