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Sardines said:
So then tell us that Biden is lying. Don't be a ****ing liar yourself by saying that Biden specifically committed to putting U.S. boots on the ground. You're being intentionally dishonest.
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I don't think Biden is lying when he committed the U.S. military to establish a pier in Gaza.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
I don't think Biden is lying when he committed the U.S. military to establish a pier in Gaza.
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That sounds a lot different than

I'm concerned that "He committed to putting American boots on the ground in Gaza"

That sounds like troops being put in place to engage in warfare.


Weird to be concerned with a pier being built to provide aid.

That speech from a bumbling old man really got you shook lol.

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One Brow said:
A bald-faced lie. Biden abandoned the process SCOTUS ruled against.
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LOL. Okay, the executive order waiving student loans has a different executive order number. Biden didn't have the power to do what he did. Prior to doing it, both Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer made speeches with the claim Biden didn't have the power to do it, and then he did it anyway and the Supreme Court affirmed the Pelosi/Schumer opinion that Biden didn't have the power to do it. So Biden made a new executive order and did it anyway.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
LOL. Okay, the executive order waiving student loans has a different executive order number. Biden didn't have the power to do what he did. Prior to doing it, both Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer made speeches with the claim Biden didn't have the power to do it, and then he did it anyway and the Supreme Court affirmed the Pelosi/Schumer opinion that Biden didn't have the power to do it. So Biden made a new executive order and did it anyway.
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Biden has actually issued several small changes, worth a decent amount, but not close to scale of the program that as overturned.
 
are there any American politicians at all who aren't just ****ing weird and or liars ?? That Republican woman who gave the reply was one of the most cringey things i've ever seen. Yeah let's put a woman in the kitchen to give the reply lol and speak like an absolute moron like she was auditioning for talking to kinder aged children. The fake affect was even more nauseating than Joe's cranky old man shouting at the sky trick
 
Douchebag K said:
are there any American politicians at all who aren't just ****ing weird and or liars ?? That Republican woman who gave the reply was one of the most cringey things i've ever seen. Yeah let's put a woman in the kitchen to give the reply lol and speak like an absolute moron like she was auditioning for talking to kinder aged children. The fake affect was even more nauseating than Joe's cranky old man shouting at the sky trick
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I love me some Pete Buttigieg

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fishonjazz said:
I love me some Pete Buttigieg

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Hm. He’s gay. That makes him unelectable to 30-40 percent of the country.

I like him too. But republicans have already signaled that they’re coming after gay marriage when they return to power.
 
This is where republicans want women to be:


View: https://www.youtube.com/live/nGykhx7GWK0?feature=shared


Republicans wouldn’t be doing this if it wasn’t working for them. What looks weird and completely out of touch to normal people, is what attracts MAGA. Whether it be Sarah palin making a fool of herself with Katie Couric or Katie Britt acting in her kitchen. It’s what the base craves.
 
fishonjazz said:
This part of his speech was nice:

“My lifetime has taught me to embrace freedom and democracy,” Biden said. “A future based on the core values that have defined America: honesty, decency, dignity, equality. To respect everyone. To give everyone a fair shot. To give hate no safe harbor.”
“Now some other people my age see a different story,” the president continued. “An American story of resentment, revenge and retribution. That's not me.”
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He’s a normal human being. Which is why most of the country will vote for him this November. Trump is the candidate for greedy billionaires, cultists, racists, religious nutjobs, misogynists,Insurrectionists, and weirdos. It’s why a few people on here who are obsessed with him hate him so much. Deep down inside, he reminds them of the humanity they once had but have now sold off in order to worship Trump and defend all of his nonsense.
 
Douchebag K said:
are there any American politicians at all who aren't just ****ing weird and or liars ?? That Republican woman who gave the reply was one of the most cringey things i've ever seen. Yeah let's put a woman in the kitchen to give the reply lol and speak like an absolute moron like she was auditioning for talking to kinder aged children. The fake affect was even more nauseating than Joe's cranky old man shouting at the sky trick
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No there are not. Unfortunately @TroutBum was our last great hope.
 
The Thriller said:
He’s a normal human being. Which is why most of the country will vote for him this November. Trump is the candidate for greedy billionaires, cultists, racists, religious nutjobs, misogynists,Insurrectionists, and weirdos. It’s why a few people on here who are obsessed with him hate him so much. Deep down inside, he reminds them of the humanity they once had but have now sold off in order to worship Trump and defend all of his nonsense.
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There is a sizable chunk that isn't so easily pigeon-holed into groups of hateful rhetoric that romanticize the era ensconced in old 50's sit-coms and movies when women and men and minorities had their places and stayed there. Those are the silent majority that willed him to a win specifically to fight against your oversimplification of the electorate and show that they wouldn't be put off by hateful labels. Again, Anthony Bourdain struck awful close to home when he identified the part of that party that the elite leftists so easily dismissed as rubes and yokels who just felt like they wanted better opportunities for their kids without having their cherished beliefs trampled in the process. Many of them don't support the stop the steal rhetoric and still legitimately feel like their way of life is under attack. So the Donald gave them the hero they felt they needed, even if it isn't the one they wanted, and definitely not the one anyone needs. And the fact that both sides operate exclusively on hateful labels shows really how severely divided we are. And how long exactly can a house divided remain standing, especially when everyone is too busy patting themselves and their buddies on the back to be able to have a hand free to reach across the aisle. Seems like we've all given up on that. I imagine the fall can't be too far off. I find it all very sad really. No one cares about uniting anymore, just pwning, to use the throwback term. We've become an entire nation of entitled keyboard warriors. It's sad and sickening really. And supremely shameful that anyone would gloat the way everyone seems to do anymore.
 
The Thriller said:
If they still support Trump then they’re either dumber than rocks or suffer from some character flaws.

We’re living in one of the best economies we’ve seen in 50 years.
We’ve seen crime continue its 30 year decline.
We’re living in one of the most peaceful times in American history.
Those folks “worried about their children” spend hours staring at a handheld computer, something their parents couldn’t have even dreamed up. We have conveniences today that just a generation or two would’ve considered luxuries.

This whole schtick of America in decline is so tired and lacking in evidence. I get that you’re describing a real segment of the population that “feels” a certain way. But it’s not a valid defense of these morons. Being stupid, naive, or suffering from severe character flaws that one is looking to set American democracy aflame because they’re bored or feel cheated isn’t a valid defense in my view.

The 1950s economy is available to these people. Sure, they may have to roll with a 15 inch tv with bunny ears and 3 channels. One family car with an am radio and a top speed of 80 mph. No ac in the house or internet or handheld computers. ****** jobs in manufacturing, mining, and meat production are still available. It’s just that white people usually don’t like those jobs. Hence, why their parents and grandparents worked hard so their kids wouldn’t work those jobs. Of course, telling people that America is awesome and that they’re living in a great time won’t generate clicks for algorithms on social media. So they’re told that America sucks, life was better in some Ill-defined past, and they must set fire to American democracy without doing any reading or research to learn about how government works or what the past was really like. We live in a country of childish narcissists who seek meaning through conflict.
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See that's what they are railing against. Since they don't believe the way you do they aren't entitled to their "feelings" unless they are approved. And it also shows you make no effort to get to know the electorate beyond your chosen dogmas. And that's the problem. We live in a world of sound-bites and echo chambers. No effort need be made to understand another actual real human being as long as they can simply be dismissed as less than actually human since their opinions aren't "correct".
 
LogGrad98 said:
See that's what they are railing against. Since they don't believe the way you do they aren't entitled to their "feelings" unless they are approved. And it also shows you make no effort to get to know the electorate beyond your chosen dogmas. And that's the problem. We live in a world of sound-bites and echo chambers. No effort need be made to understand another actual real human being as long as they can simply be dismissed as less than actually human since their opinions aren't "correct".
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No, you are wrong about this. I’ve listened to them plenty, understand them just fine, but reject their opinions. It’s a decision to reject their opinions, it’s not me being ignorant of them. And stop telling me I don’t know these people. I’m a ****ing Democrat who lives in Utah. I hear this whining every day. Stop. Perhaps it’s time that “these people” listen to others?

I completely understand them. I just refuse to coddle and pander to them. It’s people like you who show them the let amount of respect as you treat them as children that need to be pacified instead of adults that need to be read the hard truth.

I dismiss their opinions because they’re absolutely wrong. We are living in a great country in a great time. Part of being an adult is telling people when they’re wrong. We really need to stop treating our fellow Americans, especially when they have poorly informed opinions, as if their arguments are valid. Not all opinions are equal and some need to be refuted.

Stop giving life to this mantra that America sucks, the economy sucks, life was better in the past, etc. it’s just not true by nearly every metric out there. “Feelings” shouldn’t supersede facts.
 
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LogGrad98 said:
See that's what they are railing against. Since they don't believe the way you do they aren't entitled to their "feelings" unless they are approved. And it also shows you make no effort to get to know the electorate beyond your chosen dogmas. And that's the problem. We live in a world of sound-bites and echo chambers. No effort need be made to understand another actual real human being as long as they can simply be dismissed as less than actually human since their opinions aren't "correct".
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Do me a favor.

Next time you talk to one of these people, ask them to articulate their frustrations and then ask them what their solutions are. They can be “frustrated” right leaning or left leaning. Nostalgia for a better non-existent past impacts people on both sides of the political spectrum. I think you’ll find their frustrations to be incoherent and lacking in specifics; wholly emotional. “It feels like…” is not a valid argument. And I think you’ll find their solutions to be lacking even more.

I’ve done this many times in the last 8 years. Rarely does it yield anything substantive. We live in a post truth pro feelings world right now where empirical data is completely dismissed by emotions.
 
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