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The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

reignman40 said:
I said they (democrats, left media, ect ect.) wanted to impeach the guy since before the inauguration, they simply hate the man and want him gone. You are the ones throwing around the word "try" as they are now actually trying to impeach on anything they can, fearing he will win in 2020.


We can dig up sound bites like this all day if you want?
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your people wanted to impeach Hillary before the election even happened lol.

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reignman40 said:
I said they (democrats, left media, ect ect.) wanted to impeach the guy since before the inauguration, they simply hate the man and want him gone. You are the ones throwing around the word "try" as they are now actually trying to impeach on anything they can, fearing he will win in 2020.


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Who cares if people want to impeach a president. With our 2 party ultra partisan system there will always be large amounts of people who want to impeach the president.
If the president doesn't do anything impeachable then who gives a **** what some people want.

Trump made his bed.

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Zombie said:
I read an article way back in July of 2016 pining for Hillary's impeachment if she was to win. That evil media struck again!
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Oh but if she would have won then the Republicans would have just worked side by side with her and never put up any resistance to anything she wanted to accomplish.
Just like when Obama was president lol

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fishonjazz said:
You think there should be no checks and balances and that the president (as long as the president is a republican) should be able to rule however he wants. He is your king. Your dictator. Your ruler. Your God.

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Nonsense.

What is so hard understand about not wanting to side with corrupt liars?

I have admitted on many occasions that I too can see Trump's flaws. I just dont see them as extreme as you do.

Flawed blowhard trying to do a good job the way he sees it vs Corrupt liars who are massive hypocrites. I will take the first option.
 
Zombie said:
Over her ****ing emails even. These people are ridiculous.
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That’s exactly why I say facts don’t matter. These guys have a different (alien) set of values. They truly don’t care about ideology or national security. They care about “winning” a perceived culture war. A culture war being provoked by those in an aging and decreasing in relevance, white demographic. For them, this is their last hoorah. And if they permit Trump to fail, then there will be nothing stopping the urban brown horde from taking over the country, forcing everyone to speak Mexican, give up guns, having free socialist health care, and getting gay married abortions. In their minds, if Trump loses, AOC will become the all powerful empress.

That’s why things like the national debt don’t matter anymore. It’s why they freaked out over Hillary’s emails then shrug their shoulders about Jared using WhatsApp or Donald using his cellphone nonstop. It’s why they whine about the constitution then cheer on a living breathing constitution shredder.

This is a culture war, not an ideological war. Facts don’t matter to them, only feelings. It’s why they’ll support politicians who are gladly ripping away their healthcare. For them, no policy victory can substitute for the feeling of #owninthelibs. Even if it destroys our country.

and I can’t identify with that. The nihilism on the right is just incompatible with my values. The ends don’t justify the means. Sorry
 
NPC D4617 said:
Nonsense.

What is so hard understand about not wanting to side with corrupt liars?

I have admitted on many occasions that I too can see Trump's flaws. I just dont see them as extreme as you do.

Flawed blowhard trying to do a good job the way he sees it vs Corrupt liars who are massive hypocrites. I will take the first option.
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You hate law and order and the Constitution when it comes to your dear leader.
No need to make that any clearer. It's clear as can be.
Yes you think he has lots of character flaws. Sure. You just don't think that the Constitution or any type of law and order or consequences apply to him. I read you loud and clear.

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fishonjazz said:
You hate law and order and the Constitution when it comes to your dear leader.
No need to make that any clearer. It's clear as can be.
Yes you think he has lots of character flaws. Sure. You just don't think that the Constitution or any type of law and order or consequences apply to him. I read you loud and clear.

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More nonsense.

Do you really have to put words in my mouth to make an argument? Why dont you try arguing on substance.

All you have done is reveal your hypocrisy. You dont support law and order. Otherwise you would have no problem with upholding immigration laws. And you wouldn't side with the people who disrespect law enforcement.

Remember this? "Pigs in a blanket, fry like bacon" " What do we want? Dead Cops! When do we want them? Now"

Thats your kind ^
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
God forbid, and if you believe in God, which I don't, then there's no way you should want him to be re-elected, otherwise you're a hypocrite.
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It doesn't really matter what I want. I wasn't stating what I want in that post. I was stating what is going to happen.

If you look at impeachment inquiry/impeachment + removal polls the American people are telling us all we need to know. Before the news regarding Ukraine released support for inquiry/impeachment was about 40%. Right after the news about Ukraine broke it rose sharply to about 47%. It peaked in mid October at about 49% and has been declining since. It's down to about 47%.

What does this tell us?

It says the American people were intrigued by the Ukraine scandal. They wanted to hear the story and come to a conclusion. Support peaked right around the time the hearings were to begin. The hearings took place and most Americans either 1) Felt it was a political game by democrats, 2) Felt like the testimonies relied too much on feelings/opinions/interpretations of what happened instead of hard evidence, 3) Believed the story but didn't find it damning enough to support impeachment.

Whatever the case democrats have failed to convince the public. The only things they've succeeded in doing is riling up Trump's hardcore base to be more passionate about 2020 than 2016, losing possible 2020 independent voters who are now upset that the only thing that is getting done is an impeachment they don't support, and very likely losing house seats in democrats won in Trump won districts in 2016.

2020 gonna be ugly for Dems trust me. If they thought 2016 was a nightmare... ay yi yi.

I have no dog in the fight by the way. I'm happily independent. Sick of 99% of these people this country puts in office tbh.
 
NPC D4617 said:
More nonsense.

Do you really have to put words in my mouth to make an argument. Why dont you try arguing on substance.

All you have done is reveal your hypocrisy. You dont support law and order. Otherwise you would have no problem with upholding immigration laws. And you wouldn't side with the people who disrespect law enforcement.

Remember this? "Pigs in a blanket, fry like bacon" " What do we want? Dead Cops! When do we want them? Now"

Thats your kind ^
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You have called him the chosen one. Teflon Don. Nothing can stick to him. Nothing can stop him. I have seen your posts. I have seen the comics you post making him look like Superman.
He is like a God to you.
I know how you feel.

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fishonjazz said:
So the better course of action would be.......?

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House Dems should have released the Ukraine info to the public, publicly discussed the idea of possible impeachment, then announced we'll just let the people decide in 2020.

Once they started impeachment proceedings they were relying on trying to sell feelings and opinions to the public as a reason to support impeaching a sitting president. TOUGH sell.
 
SCS said:
House Dems should have released the Ukraine info to the public, publicly discussed the idea of possible impeachment, then announced we'll just let the people decide in 2020.

Once they started impeachment proceedings they were relying on trying to sell feelings and opinions to the public as a reason to support impeaching a sitting president. TOUGH sell.
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So what you are saying is that Trump is untouchable and rather than trying to hold him accountable for things he does as president they should simply focus on winning the next election and just look the other way while he is President.

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SCS said:
It doesn't really matter what I want. I wasn't stating what I want in that post. I was stating what is going to happen.

If you look at impeachment inquiry/impeachment + removal polls the American people are telling us all we need to know. Before the news regarding Ukraine released support for inquiry/impeachment was about 40%. Right after the news about Ukraine broke it rose sharply to about 47%. It peaked in mid October at about 49% and has been declining since. It's down to about 47%.

What does this tell us?

It says the American people were intrigued by the Ukraine scandal. They wanted to hear the story and come to a conclusion. Support peaked right around the time the hearings were to begin. The hearings took place and most Americans either 1) Felt it was a political game by democrats, 2) Felt like the testimonies relied too much on feelings/opinions/interpretations of what happened instead of hard evidence, 3) Believed the story but didn't find it damning enough to support impeachment.

Whatever the case democrats have failed to convince the public. The only things they've succeeded in doing is riling up Trump's hardcore base to be more passionate about 2020 than 2016, losing possible 2020 independent voters who are now upset that the only thing that is getting done is an impeachment they don't support, and very likely losing house seats in democrats won in Trump won districts in 2016.

2020 gonna be ugly for Dems trust me. If they thought 2016 was a nightmare... ay yi yi.

I have no dog in the fight by the way. I'm happily independent. Sick of 99% of these people this country puts in office tbh.
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You’re not being honest here. You’re conflating polls that ask if the impeachment inquiry should begin and if trump should be impeached and removed.

support for the inquiry and impeachment have been consistent for 2 months in the mid to high 50s. Support for impeachment and removal in the mid to high 40s.

btw, support for impeachment has been much higher for trump than nixon.

If one political party decides to support a wannabe dictator who doesn’t care a lick about that party’s ideology and values, what does that tell you about that party?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/
 
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fishonjazz said:
So what you are saying is that Trump is untouchable and rather than trying to hold him accountable for things he does as president they should simply focus on winning the next election and just look the other way while he is President.

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He's also saying that if a president abuses his power to give himself an advantage in his reelection, the branch of government tasked with restraining the president should ignore their constitutional duties and allow that election to decide his fate. This makes absolutely no sense.
 
Zombie said:
He's also saying that if a president abuses his power to give himself an advantage in his reelection, the branch of government tasked with restraining the president should ignore their constitutional duties and allow that election to decide his fate. This makes absolutely no sense.
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It's simple. Huckabee wants a cabinet post.
 
Zombie said:
He's also saying that if a president abuses his power to give himself an advantage in his reelection, the branch of government tasked with restraining the president should ignore their constitutional duties and allow that election to decide his fate. This makes absolutely no sense.
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Exactly
I'm saving this comment btw. Very well put

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Let's address this ridiculous narrative that impeachment is used to undo an election.

If Trump is impeached and removed... Hillary doesn't become President. The election is not reversed or undone. Pence would become the President. That's how that works.

Trump is such a ****ing turd that despite his entire Presidency being impeachable we've lowered the standard of the office so that Trump has to do something beyond the pale for Trump, not for a President of the United States of America. Since The U.S. elected a pile of steaming **** the standard now is that the pile of **** has to do something that's reprehensible even for a steaming pile of ****.

That's where we're at. And since Trump set the bar on the ****ing ground to begin with there's pretty much no way he can sink so low as to disappoint his followers.
 
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