The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

[babe]

The aspect I find so interesting is that Russia's official narrative on the incident says Ukraine had nothing to do with the sinking of the Moskva and that it was an accidental fire which set off some ammunition. All of these people on Russian state-run media are being allowed (compelled?) to call for retaliation against Ukraine for the Moskva sinking.

I believe a factual analysis of the timeline would show that Russia initially said it was an onboard fire and tried to evacuate crew and then tow it back to a secure port. They said they would investigate the cause of the "fire". I think that meant they wanted find, retrieve,and analyze the missiles which apparently escaped detection somehow. That is a responsible line of thought that does not make assumptions. Fact-based, really.

When it sank and the hope of proving the identity of the missiles sank with it, it was no longer a needed line of reason. Don't think for a second that Russians ever thought it was anything else. However, proving the type of missle would have some potential repercussions.

The Russians believe it was a new American missle launched by US personnel and guided by US technology under US hands. In other words, they want to prove direct US military attack here.

 

[babe]

Still looking for more......

How One Ukrainian Billionaire Funded Hunter Biden, President Volodymyr Zelensky, And Neo-Nazi Azov Battalion - GreatGameInternational

In March 2021, the Biden administration barred Kolomoisky and members of his family from traveling to the United States. But before this went down, we need to take a look at how one Ukrainian billionaire funded Hunter Biden, President Volodymyr Zelensky, and the Neo-Nazi Azov Battalion.

greatgameindia.com

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Ukraine%20Report_FINAL.pdf

 

[babe]

I'm learning, still.

Here's Wikipedia on the 2004 election,which was----LOL---won by Russia despite personal trips to Ukraine by Kissinger, Brezeinski, and other western influencers. The USA "lost" that election.

Look at the massive evident fraud on both sides. Depending on who controlled the voting apparatus, 80% to 90% of the counted "ballots" went to the counting officials.

We have made this poor damned country the victim of international interests, manifest by pro-Western, or Western-bribed oligarchs vs. Russian-bribed oligarchs.

 

[babe]

I'm learning, still.

Here's Wikipedia on the 2004 election,which was----LOL---won by Russia despite personal trips to Ukraine by Kissinger, Brezeinski, and other western influencers. The USA "lost" that election.

Look at the massive evident fraud on both sides. Depending on who controlled the voting apparatus, 80% to 90% of the counted "ballots" went to the counting officials.

We have made this poor damned country the victim of international interests, manifest by pro-Western, or Western-bribed oligarchs vs. Russian-bribed oligarchs.

and that's why we fight wars????

 

[Gameface]

I actually sort of love that in a war to end the existence of Ukraine as a nation Russia has now repeatedly taken offence to their adversary fighting back in a way they feel exceeds the scope that they would prefer the war to be confined to.

Is there a name for that? I know there is a saying, "beggars can't be choosers" but this is a little different than that, but sort of along the same lines.

It's like the school bully comes up and hits you with a blindside from behind but when you catch him in the nose with an elbow as you turn to face him he tells you that it was dirty of you to use an elbow. Of course as he's saying this you punch him in the jaw, kick him in his diaphragm and push him into the fountain. Then he runs off to tell on you.

Oh Russia... At least in WWII France wasn't exposed as a paper tiger because they attacked their neighbor. Putin is so misinformed about his military capability that he thought he could roll Ukraine in a matter of weeks. Putin doesn't need to worry about NATO, Putin needs to worry about his corrupt generals and intelligence officers and political elites. That place is rotten to the core.

 

[gandalfe]

I actually sort of love that in a war to end the existence of Ukraine as a nation Russia has now repeatedly taken offence to their adversary fighting back in a way they feel exceeds the scope that they would prefer the war to be confined to.

Is there a name for that? I know there is a saying, "beggars can't be choosers" but this is a little different than that, but sort of along the same lines.

It's like the school bully comes up and hits you with a blindside from behind but when you catch him in the nose with an elbow as you turn to face him he tells you that it was dirty of you to use an elbow. Of course as he's saying this you punch him in the jaw, kick him in his diaphragm and push him into the fountain. Then he runs off to tell on you.

Oh Russia... At least in WWII France wasn't exposed as a paper tiger because they attacked their neighbor. Putin is so misinformed about his military capability that he thought he could roll Ukraine in a matter of weeks. Putin doesn't need to worry about NATO, Putin needs to worry about his corrupt generals and intelligence officers and political elites. That place is rotten to the core.

Let's be clear here, EVERYONE, with the possible (but not certain) exception of Ukraine thought Russia would make them their bitca within a matter of days. We're at almost 2 months, and it's becoming increasingly likely that Ukraine will out-and-out win. Not just hold out, but actually send the Russians crying home to their babushka. They're doing this with a lot of (financial and arms) help from pretty much every other country that isn't China, but, still, Ukrainians are the only ones who have been actually pulling the triggers.

 

[Rubashov]

I actually sort of love that in a war to end the existence of Ukraine as a nation Russia has now repeatedly taken offence to their adversary fighting back in a way they feel exceeds the scope that they would prefer the war to be confined to.

Is there a name for that? I know there is a saying, "beggars can't be choosers" but this is a little different than that, but sort of along the same lines.

It's like the school bully comes up and hits you with a blindside from behind but when you catch him in the nose with an elbow as you turn to face him he tells you that it was dirty of you to use an elbow. Of course as he's saying this you punch him in the jaw, kick him in his diaphragm and push him into the fountain. Then he runs off to tell on you.

Oh Russia... At least in WWII France wasn't exposed as a paper tiger because they attacked their neighbor. Putin is so misinformed about his military capability that he thought he could roll Ukraine in a matter of weeks. Putin doesn't need to worry about NATO, Putin needs to worry about his corrupt generals and intelligence officers and political elites. That place is rotten to the core.

In fairness its pretty bad form on the part of Ukraine not sticking to Putin's script. Its the problem with dictators and a lot of modern power structures, people won't tell truth to power. Putin would have cherry picked the intel that suited him, much like Bush did in Iraq. Strong democracies and societies need independent technocrats providing sound advice to decision makers. One of the former strengths of our democracy was that the heads of the public service were completely independent from politicians, well at least they could not be removed by them, they served a higher loyalty to the state and nation, also meant they would not cover for lying politicians. I miss those days...

 

[babe]

Let's be clear here, EVERYONE, with the possible (but not certain) exception of Ukraine thought Russia would make them their bitca within a matter of days. We're at almost 2 months, and it's becoming increasingly likely that Ukraine will out-and-out win. Not just hold out, but actually send the Russians crying home to their babushka. They're doing this with a lot of (financial and arms) help from pretty much every other country that isn't China, but, still, Ukrainians are the only ones who have been actually pulling the triggers.

At present there are about 30,000 non-Ukreainian (Western) "volunteers" pulling triggers. Many have been there for years. On the other side, the separatists had many as well. Many Russians, including most likely "re-identified Russian personnel claiming to be "separatists, and thousands who relocated from western Ukraine to eastern Ukraine. Our CIA has been supplying and training units just like we did in "Charlie Wilson's War" for a decade already.

It's clear that Putin faces internal opposition in Russia. Despite his policies that have tried to keep out "Western" influencers and limit that influence, many Russians are pretty "modern", rejecting Russian nationalism and communist ideology as well. Looking at Putin's foreign allies like Hezbollah, Iran, Venezuela you'd have to wonder who he is. Outright marxist ideologues in Venequela, and Nazi remnants sruling in Iran. And terrorists. But he complained about Obama funding ISIS with permitting oil sales controlled and bennefiting ISIS. And then there is John Brennan, literally a Putin "buddy" while he was in R;ussia, who went straight to Putin with "news". If we were going to "prove" Russian meddling in US Elections, you have to go to Hillary Clinton as the main beneficiary, and funder, of the effort.

Putin has rightly seen the intent from the West to remove him and replace him with a Western-compliant actor.

The Ukraine War didn't happen for four years because Trump was elected. This would all have happened just the same if Hillary had won, in 2016.

This war is about money, sure, but about oil and the green revolution and who will run the coming Fascist world order.

When you see reports of Kissinger and Brezinski trying to help politicians in Ukraine in 2004, you are seeing modern Fascism in action.

 

[Red]

When you see reports of Kissinger and Brezinski trying to help politicians in Ukraine in 2004, you are seeing modern Fascism in action.

What did ex-Trump aide Paul Manafort really do in Ukraine?

Trump's former campaign chief worked for an anti-NATO party and a politician who fled the country amid charges of corruption and collusion with Russia.

www.nbcnews.com

“New details keep emerging as U.S. and Ukrainian officials piece together Manafort's contacts and payments in Ukraine from 2004 to 2014.”

How Paul Manafort Helped Elect Russia’s Man in Ukraine

Donald Trump's onetime campaign chairman played an instrumental role in helping a pro-Kremlin party take power

time.com

 

[lauriandres]

That's some antiquated ****. But I'm a bit confused. Search radar are the ones that spin in a circle and look all around for anything and everything. Fire Control radar points directly at a target and provides very specific positioning info to the Fire Control computer which then determines an intercept point, AKA the Fire Control Solution, and indicates such to the Fire Control tech who then tells the Tactical Action Officer that they have "Birds Affirmed" and he then gives permission to fire or not. When a fire control radar system has a target that what is commonly referred to as being "locked on" or "missile lock."

On AEGIS ships they use a unique phased array radar system that can provide Fire Control quality radar info for well over 100 targets at a time. They can also fire many missiles simultaneously at multiple targets at a time. One AEGIS can even use the radar info from another friendly AEGIS to fire missiles or request to use their missiles to fire on a target they've identified.

It's ridiculous how much better the U.S. Navy is compared to its rivals.

I guess US Navy has much more motivated staff? I.e better discipline and i hope, that everything is working condition not only on the document but also in real life.
If you look what the Russian soldiers stole north of Kyev, then should they have a chance - then they would find plenty of stuff from a perfectly working US Navy ship . Tiny piece from one place and another from another not so noticable location. As long as you steal as much as is your quota and you do not steal from the wrong person/object, then nothing happens. I.e rookies can steal only one roll of a toilet paper per month , officers can steal little bit more.

 

[MVP]

I can understand this level of Russian. I have wondered about the Wagner group, just what sort of people they are. But it still seems to me that Putin is a Russian nationalist but not a big fan of Hitler.

So wait, Putin is Nationalist but Zelensky is Nazi? Dude... seriously. Stop it.

 

[babe]

What did ex-Trump aide Paul Manafort really do in Ukraine?

Trump's former campaign chief worked for an anti-NATO party and a politician who fled the country amid charges of corruption and collusion with Russia.

www.nbcnews.com

“New details keep emerging as U.S. and Ukrainian officials piece together Manafort's contacts and payments in Ukraine from 2004 to 2014.”

How Paul Manafort Helped Elect Russia’s Man in Ukraine

Donald Trump's onetime campaign chairman played an instrumental role in helping a pro-Kremlin party take power

time.com

Amazing. "Trumps Man in Kiev" worked for the opponents of Fascism in Ukraine. Great.

Pretty sure there was competition on either side, among people with bribes looking for bribees to get influence/. Hillary took bribes from Russia and gave them uranium mines in the USA. Hunter took bribes from I think the mayor of Moscow, perhaps one of Putin's inside opposition Hunter and Joe took bribes from the anti-Russian Ukranian oligarch who helped Soros fund the Nazi, if you can belie3ve insignia and flags and such but probgably ideological fascist for sure, along with Zelensky. So This is how we get into wars now. We pick sides and take bribes. Great.

I've been looking for reliable information on Ukraine's ethnic divide. It looks like 6 Millian ethnic Russians moved to Russia fr4om Ukraine after 2014. Plus about 1.5 Million Ukranians who went to Russia for work. Migration back and forth for family or work reason has been pretty high for decades.

About 30% of Ukraine is ethnic Russian m mostly in the east and a few pockets where Communists sent p3eople to work in factories before the USSR collapse.

Odessa, like Mariupol apparently has been tunneled so extensively, and probably other cities as well, particularly under kindergarten and hospital and theatrae. The steel m9ills as well. Ukranian forces made this their idea of defense, hide behind something jthat could be televised as an outrage or something.

But like I've said before, Putin is not an idealistic American with notions of inalienable human rights, but neither is Zelensky. We should have been happy to just pull our troops out of Europe and Korea, another corrupt hellhole. I'm not an isolationist. I just don't think the UN or NATO are any more honorable than Russia or China, which is saying a helluva lot.

Look at our jpolitics at home. You wnat this to rule the damn world?

I think we signaled Putin, and he bit on the bait, like we did Saddam Hussein in regards to Kuwait. We have people in our top- flight who can hardly sit still unless there's a war somewhere we can fight, for no good reason. Oil, maybe.

If Putih falls, or Russia collapses, I expect China will take Korea and Taiwan. Chinese supremacy and all. And Siberia east of Kazakistan.

If we had decent leadership, we could have brought Russia into Western alliance. At a very small price of just a little reasonable respect.

By the way, Eastern Europe has pretty strong opposition to all the middle eastern refugees, and that is stoking the real Nazi rebirth there. Probably a factor inside Russia too.

Partof the reason I don't see Putin or anyone else capable of reuniting the old USSR now. I used to think it was a fake breakup that would mend itslef after a while, what with all the Russians sent to work in those areas by the old commie bosses. It was intended to make a permanent colonization possible.